Training and drills.

Discussion in 'Training' started by whitehood, May 8, 2010.

  1. whitehood

    whitehood Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what others do here, but with pistols I always pretty much go through a pattern of drills. I started out using Chuck Taylors standard set and then modified it to suit me.

    I start out with single targets and near point of contact with triple taps, the begin extending range to 5, 10 and 15 feet from the ready position. I then do double taps at 20, 40 and 60 feet. Next comes weak handed double taps at contact 5 and 10 feet. After that two targets with single shots from 5, 10 and 15 feet coming from the holster. All reloads are tactical.

    What I see a lot of people doing at the range is often if not almost always wrong. They'll cock traditional double actions, take all day to aim and want to shoot the weapon about as far away as they can to see if they can hit the target. I've seen more than one guy blasting away ( forgive me tig ) turning his weapon sideways gangsta style.

    I'm just curious about what other people do?
     
  2. beltbuckle

    beltbuckle Well-Known Member

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    I use a variety of methods and switch them around and sometimes add my own twist. Having my own range is very nice!



    Some of the drills I simulate include, the farnam drill, Dozier, mozambique, IDPA classifier, ASAA combat master (I'm no Chuck Taylor), shooting from cover, freestyle groups, weak side, Dummy round, sensory deprivation, shooting from low/ready, stress drills, accelerated pairs, bullseye, and malfunction drills to name a few.
     

  3. whitehood

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    The El Presidente pretty much sets the standard. Since I now live in rural America, I can practice shooting on the move, something you can't do at most indoor controlled ranges. The IDPA qual course is not bad, but I think the ranges are a bit much for the standard pistol scenario. More and more I'm into multiple targets and FTS drills.
     
  4. beltbuckle

    beltbuckle Well-Known Member

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    The Presidente drills are very good, I agree. I like the Demi version myslef.



    I also like FTS drills. Sometimes when doing a variation of the Mozambique I have another guy who yells a predetermined phrase saying my threat is still active. If he doesn't yell it's assumed the threat has been stopped
     
  5. whitehood

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    The key here is you will do as you train. If you train like you're at the range, that's the way you'll act. There is the story about two CHP's officers when they were using 357 revolvers emptying out their cylinders and then instead doing a tactical reload they stopped to pick up their brass. The bad guy got them with a shotgun.
     
  6. GOANRA

    GOANRA Well-Known Member

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    WH, I'm trying not to laugh, but in LE, they do beat "policing your brass" so hard, it does become 'muscle memory'.

    Fortunately, I have a range that allows for draw & fire... with brass clean-up when done shooting.
     
  7. whitehood

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    One of the biggest mistakes I see is a guy that has a traditional double action pistol and decides to cock the hammer, then starts to blast away as far away as he can get the target. It's not only stupid but dangerous as well. It also reinforces the "tunnel vision" phenomena that one gets under extreme stress.
     
  8. JustBen

    JustBen Well-Known Member

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    I just spent three days at the Tactical Defense Institute in Southern Ohio. They had all kinds of examples of officers in a gun fight doing exactly what they did at the range. Dash camera's prove the point. Most all ended up dead. Practice makes permanent. How the phrase "practice makes perfect" came about I will never know.
     
  9. whitehood

    whitehood Well-Known Member

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    Dammit I love drills.



    Scenario. Three targets. Single shots or double taps?
     
  10. Blackrifle

    Blackrifle Well-Known Member

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    And you know this because?
     
  11. whitehood

    whitehood Well-Known Member

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    It's a simple question. I know this because I've been taught. Besides it's an interesting scenario that is becoming more common.
     
  12. Blackrifle

    Blackrifle Well-Known Member

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    Taught? By who or better yet, what? A lot of it sounds interesting but no better than those you criticize. I apologize but you're like so many others. It's always a chore to see you treat these good people with the disdain you continue to pour out. Lighten up a little. It wouldn't hurt to leave someone with a smile on their face occasionally.
     
  13. whitehood

    whitehood Well-Known Member

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    Uh Black, you went after me. Remember now? BTW I'd go back and look at some of your statements regarding AR rifles when Beltbuckle and I were discussing them.

    But here's the real answer. There is none. There's not even a consensus on what constitutes a double tap. There are a variety of training techniques as well as different opinions from a variety of instructors.

    But here's another reason I like drills. It's one of the best ways to get the most out of your ammunition, especially with ammo costs these days.