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Discussion in 'Pistols' started by paperreira, Apr 18, 2006.
I posted a reply after returning from the range - and now the reply is gone. Where did it go?
I read it. Just repost it. Here's the poop as I see it. There's nothing wrong with the B92 used in the proper setting. As a home defense or vehicular defense weapon you can't beat it. I really like them. For concealed carry they suck. It's too big, too heavy and too long. Then there is the safety. It's the standard DA/SA with the fire position requiring upward movement of the thumb. This takes time and repositioning of the grip, which is not optimal for speed which is a requirement for concealed carry. It's not so much for a home defense weapon.
Damn! I must have accidentally deleted it or something. I'll repost it another time. Here's my range report from another web site:
Back from the range! I shot the two Berettas and the SIG P226 E2. My expectations before I got to the range: The SIG features and dimensions on paper made it the likely winner. The actual result: In my hands, the I shot worst with the SIG and best with the 92 Inox (not the 92A1 that I'd be getting). It felt best in my hands. As to recoil - shooting 9mm 115 gr - if there was a difference in recoil among these, it wasn't anything that screamed at me. If my life depended on rating the recoil, I'd need to fake it - I have no recollection of any differences. In a defensive situation, considering the few rounds that probably would be fired, I don't see how it could make a difference.
As to concealment, the shooting buddy from whom I borrowed the Berettas is not as big as I am - and I'm on the smaller side of average - and he chooses to carry, and carries the 92 IWB every day. He doesn't notice the additional weight (over the PX4) while carrying. He does notice it when shooting, and he likes it for that purpose. While in some ways the PX4 may, in theory, be more concealable, the difference doesn't appear to be that much. If a person wants to carry a 92 and wants to conceal it - then it can be done without all that much difference from the PX4.
As to the de-cocker/safety - there's no question that the de-cocker without the safety on the SIG wins hands down. However, there's no reason why the 92 can't be carried de-cocked on the quarter-cock notch, and with the safety on fire position. I'd prefer the SIG arrangement, but it's not enough to over-ride the feel and accuracy of the 92 in my hands.
So, that's my story. Not wanting to be hasty, I may repeat trying the SIG - but I'm already feeling good about the 92.
Here is the post you deleted, accidentally:
Via Oboe, following his range visit today:
Just back from the range. The PX4 and the 92 Inox both did very well. I felt better with the 92 if I had to make choice right now. All kinds of practice are in oder, including but certainly not limited to target paper punching. Taking tactical instruction from a pro seems like a really wise investment of time and money. You know the old Vince Lombardi dictum, "Practice doesn't make perfect - makes permanent. Only perfect practice makes perfect." Why practice mistakes? With a pro, you can get in the groove and practice the good stuff.
Oboe, I'm glad you finally made some sort of decision. We're all happy for you and hope you enjoy all the work you and everyone else here went through to help you make your final decision. Since that has been accomplished, I would like this thread to be returned to discussions regarding the SIG P226 and not your quest to find the perfect pistol, for you. In the future if you want to compare stories with the membership, please make use of the "Gun Chatter" section. These sections that are set up to discuss specific firearms, are just that, for that specific firearm. Thank you for your help and again, good luck with your decision.
Please return this thread to SIG P226 discussions and reviews only.
oops. Yes, I should have stuck to impressions of the SIG rather than a comparative search. My apologies.
That said, the item you "re-posted" for me is what I posted on the PX4 thread, not from this one.
I have had my 226 in .40s&w for about 9 months and have put about 600 rounds thru it. I couldnt be happier with this pistol it eats anything I put in it and does so flawlessly. I bought this weapon as a target and carry weapon. Super easy to care for and a super sweet shooter. was so happy with this that i bought the .22 mosquito as a target pistol.
Make sure you follow the instructions on the Mosquito, it is one of the few guns that requires a 500 round break-in period.
Clean it first and then use CCI mini mags and clean it every 200 rounds and it will shoot like a champ. Sig does not make this gun, so it isn't quite the same quality, but mine is still a good .22.
You will read many on that thread are unhappy with theirs, mostly older models, but some have cracked slides.
Hi, I'm looking into the 226 for a concealed carry. This will also be my first handgun. I'm currently deployed and would like to purchase one when I return. I really liked the P220 but I was told it's to bulky for a concealed, and he got a P229, so I'd like to compare. I was looking for advice? I have learned a lot in research and I definitly am going Sig. I'd also prefer a .45 (or .40 sw if need be). Also I'd prefer double stack. Any advice? I'm also open to other models.
Sig is great, I have a P226 in 9mm. I have recenlty become a big fan of FN. I have and Fnp 45 tactical that comes with a rail, threaded barrel and removable milled slide to accept a red dot sight. It's pricey ($1,000), but has a double stack .45 that holds 15, more than any other 45 I am aware of. They also make an FNP .45 that has no threaded barrel or red dot pre drilled slide for about $750
SW is 100% on target and you can forget about a double stack for carrying. I have a friend that is a big man 6'6" ownes 2 gun stores, has 100 personal guns and can carry whatever he wants and I turned him onto the FNP tactical and he loves it and carries it everyday, but that is his size that allows him to do so
Bought my x-five tactical about 8 months ago. It's the most accurate pistol I've ever fired (my pistol experience is not extensive). It was my first firearm purchase. A buddy recommended it and Im glad I listened. It out did the sig 229 and the glock my buddy showed me. The slide locked up about three times that first day out of the box but has not been a problem since. (shoot about every weekend since then with no problem). Overall I love this pistol and look forward to purchasing from Sig again in the future.
My 226 is 22 years old and has served me in law enforcement and as a security consultant for major corporations. I recently replaced the night sights which had lost their glow after two decades, but have never had to do anything else to this firearm except clean it. I haven't even needed to replace the bbl, despite the 10,000 +rounds it has seen. Many of those rounds were law enforcement only +P+ Federal BPLE9, which the 226 handled flawlessly. It has never once jammed or stove piped, even when I tried to get it to malfunction.
Carrying concealed is a function of holster and dress. The Blackhawk Serpa is remarkably comfortable and allows me to carry the 226 under tailored jackets. Though less comfortable, the Bianchi 3S allow me to carry inside the pant (try the small of the back) with long summer shirts.
Get a 226, load it with Corebon +p 110 gr. JHP, and know it will never fail you.
I've had my 226 since 1996. Only time it failed to eject was the first day I purchased it. It failed to eject 3 of the first five rounds fired through it. The remaining ten rounds were fired by someone else and went perfectly. When I exited the range after only one clip, the range owner asked if I knew what I did wrong. When I pointed to the row of staples in my chest he understood. I simply had trouble hanging on to the gun. I had open heart surgery 6 days earlier.
It has never failed to fire or failed to eject since. Don't know exactly how many rounds I've fired through it but suspect it is less than 2000. Compare that to over 10,000 rounds through one of my .22's.
I use this gun for home defense. I am very comfortable with it. The fact that it is a 9mm doesn't bother me. One or two well placed shots is all it takes . And yes, my wife has on occasion fired it with no problems.
I have purchased a Sig Sauer p226, new from a local gun broker . The first shot I took with it the spent shell jammed in the gun and has continued jamming ever since. Now I know you will think that I am "limp wristing it" because I thought this when I read these reviews. And to counter this I have had several other people shoot this gun and it has jammed on all of them. I am confident that this is a defect with the ejecter. So I am returning it to the gun broker who tells me they will send it to the Sig factory to have them look at it. When it returns I will update this with a new comment.
Would I recommend this: NO
I use aftermarket magazines at the range and have noticed a fail to eject 2 or 3 out of 100. It has never failed in any way with the factory mags in thousands of rounds. If your gun is new and you are using the factory mags then the most likely cause is as mentioned by SW-Insured, clean factory lube well then lube with proper gun oil and try it again. The P226 is an icon for Sig and has a very good reputation among law inforcement as well as civilians. Give Sig a chance to check it out and see what happens, I think you will be satisfied in the end.