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Discussion in 'Gun Chatter' started by 1911nut, Jun 15, 2007.
direct pressure, elevation, pressure points
eh, it'll bleed out lol
But to get back on topic here. Since I've gotten my CCW I havent had the pleasure (knock on wood) to meet and officer of the law. Most of the stories I've heard of people that have havent had any issues. It seem around here the cops have an idea of what to expect. And when you do your part by telling the cop you have a gun first thing he kinda has the idea your probably an ok guy/girl...
Belt next time you have to pop a top use a counter top to open it. Saves blood loss!!!
Texas has a Travel Law which you can carry a firearm loaded if you are in travel mode.......
1911Nut. Speaking as a Police Officer of 13years having pulled over thousands of cars many involving transport of firearms weather legal or illegally I agree with what the rookie did in this case as far as taking control of the firearm but agree she shouldnt try to unload it when she didnt know what she was doing. I personally rarely take control of ccw permit holders firearms, I just ask them where it is and tell them not to make movements toward it unless the detention is going to be for an extended period of time then I'll hold it and have unloaded some and told the person not to reload it til I was gone from the stop. As for those second guessing this rookie cop believe me there probably is no such policy on how to handle motorist with their firearms with respect to the specific details on wheter or not to unload them or not because Officer Safety issue's with respect to "policy" tend to have a great deal of descretion to the individual officer because of the thousands of scenarios a stop like this could involve. I agree she shouldnt have pointed your gun at you and unsafely try to unload a 1911 when she didnt know what she was doing. I also agree many females especially rookie lady cops have a weakness in firearms handling . Just remember her intention was to make the scene a safe one despite her actions in your case and all police officers have the desire to go home at the end of our shifts before you go with people who are in hear hollaring for her to be punished. As a Twelve Year Field Training Officer I assure you I tell them not to unload any firearm if they dont know what they are doing but to atleast secure it until business is done. We are human beings though.
My first post was to address the original thread poster in his incident with the lady cop who lasered his feet with his own gun trying to unload. Now im gonna add my two cents to the follow up comments that got into telling or not telling a cop you are armed on a stop. If it's a CCW Carrying citizen I'll know when I run the license not the tag. Most Police appreciate it when you let them know right from jump that you are armed with the permit or not. Wheter they take control of your firearm or not is in their descretion for their safety atleast during the duration of the stop. I usually let CCW Citizens retain their weapons and ask them where it is and not to make movements towards the area they are in . Most CCW are higher caliber individuals who I view with respect as do most Officers that I know because they care enough to involve themselves with the safety of themselves and others full well knowing that I cant do it nor any other Officer every minute of the day. This being said I would hope most can appreciate how dangereous it is not knowing anything about who we stop other than there is now atleast two guns in play, the one on my hip and whatever else is in his car. Give the respect and courteousy you would like to have if you were the cop on the side of the road. Would you want to know if the person you stopped was armed or not?
good post patrol,
Gotta use caution on those traffic stops and domestics, and thanks for clarifying on not knowing about the driver being armed til after its to late. Do you guys have mobile mdt's in your units or does dispatch have to run the driver info and tag info in ncic for you?
Our department just got a few MDT's and I got one because Im a supervisor however it's pretty much useless for anything except doing reports both IBR and Crash reports. I do them in the car then transfer them to my thumb drive and print them off end of tour at HQ. We dont have the ability to run tags VCIN & NCIC yet but will soon as well as get more computers for everyone on patrol. They are good on midnights also to watch DVD movies. hahahaha..
Thanks for your post Patrol, that sounds like a pretty common sense way of operating. I do understand that she was making the stop safe for her, as I was polite and did exactly what she said. When she came to the door, both of my hand were clearly visable to her. I have great respect for the police officers, but wouldnt do the job for twice the money. Be safe.
If I'm ever pulled over I always put both hands on the wheel until the officer addresses me.
thats what our guys use their mdt's for!LOL
Right now they have to do the same thing, they do their reports then they have to transfer them into the system. All our units have had them for a while and the supervisors just recently got the ability to observe our cad system but I dont see them being able to run 28's and 27's on their own for a while.......cant wait til they do though, I will be able to cut down on my multitasking alot.
What about the idea of (quickly and unobviously) unloading your CCW while being pulled over, so that after the officer asks for your driver's license and you hand that and your CC permit over, and the officer asks if you are carrying now, you can say yes but it is not loaded, then the officer can feel much more comfortable?! Probably a dumb question, but it sounds plausible to me.
Please tell me you wouldn't do that! Aside from the danger of being exterminated if he happens to see you, or if your not shot dead I'm sure some type of charges would be filed against you. Theres no reason to unload a legal gun, its better to keep your hands up in sight to provide the comfort level, and then if you choose ( I say choose because its not the law, (in CT) to disclose you have a gun) to tell the Officer, let him make all the calls on what to do with it. Besides, he'll never know its unloaded until he checks for himself, he's not going to take a random persons word. If you do choose to live that dangerous, put me in your Will to inherit your Kimber Covert! lol
LOL I wouldn't unload it after I stopped, I would unload it while he's still following me with his lights flashing and before my car has come to a stop. He couldn't/wouldn't shoot me at that time. I'm not saying I would do it; I'm rather asking if, as I described above, it's a bad idea.
There's no point in unloading. If you are carrying legally in Ct. (which means it must be on your person) you would have to unholster, unload, and case it seperately from your ammo. You'd probably crash in the process. If you are carrying legally there's no reason to panic. If, in your state, you are required to inform the officer do so with your hands in plain sight and the officer will take it from there. Always show them respect and defference and make deliberate movements. In Ct. we are not required to tell but if I were being asked to get out of the car I would inform the officer before doing so.
I have never been pulled over but I think it would be best to contact your local police agency and ask what the rules are and what they would prefer. I would always follow their advice.
honestly unless your state requires you to show your concealed license i wouldn't say a damn thing.
Have been stopped twice. Each time, as required in Florida, I told him I was carrying. Both times the officer said, "fine you don't show me yours and I won't show you mine".
Interesting! This very topic came up while I was in class for my CCW and the answer came back as that; In AZ there is not a requirement to tell unless asked, but some state do require that you inform LE if you are carrying during an encounter with them without being asked - such as Florida I believe. So I guess I am naive to believe that all states have their own respective laws on this topic.