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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by tigwelder56, Dec 13, 2009.
find Dillon in the Blue press magazine.
Thanks fellas.... well thats an assumption nobody is female. Name here is Mark. The AA0YY is my ham radio callsign and I just use it for all my user names everywhere so less for me to remember or forget.
Lrgcal4fun.... tnx for the links, I think I will start with some manuals on reloading.
JudgeParker.... I forget where I heard it but someone told me that they thought LEE made the dies for all the other brand names. I'm curious if you or anyone can confirm or deny that.
Mark4.... also curious as to why you say "never load the old one at a time stuff" ??? I realize the advantages of speed are obvious but it just kind of reminds me of the old story about the young bull and old bull talking on top of the hill... I won't go into that here but possibly going the slower one at a time route might be one of those things I might regret? or is there more?
another question how much of a savings is reloading your own? like what percentage of savings? I am just wondering how long it will take for the reloader to pay for itself. also, can you reload with whatever bullet you want... like Wad cutters or hollow point etc???
I load, the old one at a time. Which, when you read the techniques in the manuals, you'll see really isn't one at at time. The press I uses simple has a single stage, so you run all your cases through each stage as a batch. The alternative is a progressive stage press that will preform the functions of several stages at the same time. The advantage is speed, the disadvantage is less precession. It all depends on what you are looking for. I like to inspect each case at each stage of the process, slower but I end up with better ammo.
You should be able to save as much as 50%, depending on the components you use.
Yes I keep one of those for special long range Perfection but I can't stand the manotny of trying to make 1000 rounds like that.
I don't think Lee makes dies for the other company's but their dies will fit all most all of the big guys although I am not sure about Dillon having never used one. A single stage O press is a good way to start but you have to be very careful not to double charge the cases with powder. A simple progressive with auto powder drop will negate that problem. You can load just about any type of bullet you want to as long as it is the correct caliber and your manual has data for it. The problem with rolling your own is you wont save money because you will shoot more, but isn't that whole idea. How long it takes for the press to pay for itself depends on how much you use it. I have an O press I use to custom load my rifle cartridges but I use the turret press for my pistol loads.
I would think Lee made all the same things Dillon does. It was not my intention to say dillion was any better than the others.
I visited a small local gun store and there was a good ole boy in there that just happened to have his "Dillon" press in his trunk. He brought it in and demo it for me and I get the idea of the progressive sets and their advantages. I was very impressed with the "Dillon" He also sent me home with a Blue Press catalog and if nothing else the model on the front has brought me some pleasure. I also found lots of internet videos that were helpful to me, as are all of your comments on this post have been. This particular U-Tube video came in three segments and this guy was using a single stage press. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UPXqDrqjE4 JUDGE..... I get the idea that this will not save me more money because I will just shoot more HAHA. But it sounds like everyone that has responded to me has both a progressive set up and a single stage set up. So I think I will start with a single and see how it goes. You have all been very helpful and patient with this newbie's questions.
Your Welcome! Its a pleasure to be of help!
You are most welcome if you have any questions no matter how silly they seem please ask. This forum has some of the nicest and knowledgeable people of any forum I have seen. what one of us doesn't know somebody else will.
Silly Question? Can we shoot 10mm in a 40 cal ruger?
Good question, they are the same diameter But just for the sake of celerity, lest some one miss understand... No one can't shoot a 10mm in a 40S&w. The 10mm is a longer and much more powerful (higher pressure) cartridge. I have heard of some who have tried the reverse, but because the head-spacing would be all wrong, I would never recommend trying it. One could end up with a face full of burning powder.
Can one load the 40 cal to 10 mm specks and get the same power? Or trim a 10 mm case down to 40 cal specks?
I can not stress enough how dangerous it can be if you deviate from the specs in the manuals. There is usually a very small amount of leeway on the top end but it's best to not play with it . Doing so can be very DANGEROUS.While some pistols can handle a little higher pressure some can not so it's best to always err on the side of caution. As for trimming a 10mm case down if the lower part of the case walls are not thicker in the 10 you probably could ,but why when the 10mm cases are more expensive and harder to find.
I have a steady free supply of 10 mm.cases.
I am thinking they made both the 10 and the 40 just to charge more for both. I wonder why they were made at all when the old 45 cal is just as good. Granted the 40 may be a little better to control for the second shot.
My personal choice for CCW is the 38 super in a 1911 frame.
Iwonder what they were thinking?
In a nutshell
The 10mm was created for the FBI because they found the 38 specials that their agents were carrying in their 357 mag revolvers were inadequate. Then the FBI discovered that the 10 was hard to handle by the smaller agents so the 40 was born. I have a Taurus PT-140 in 40 cal and second shot placement takes longer than my Rock Island 1911. Because the 40 so snappy in that lighter pistol. I can buy once fired 40 brass for $8.00 a 100 count I am not sure all the labor to cut the 10 down would be worth the effort. But then I am Kind of lazy. You could always just buy a 10mm pistol thats always fun.
I read that a gun magazine was first to suggest them both.
You know a 38 Super is not your regular 38. It falls in between the 357 and 9mm with just a small less powerful than the 357. It is hard hitting and controllable shot after shot. You wouls love it.
Hay Folks, Ok, I'm going to date myself here but what the heck.
You can find good information on the 10mm in its original incarnation (the Bren 10) here http://www.bren-ten.com
In short Jeff Cooper, Thomas Dornaus and Michael Dixon developed the cartage and Bren pistol around 1978. In the early/mid 80's the FBI began the first truly scientific study of hand gun effectiveness. A summery is available here http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
At that time they decided on the 10mm in two different loadings. One that pushed a 180gr. bullet well over 1000fps. and another that pushed it about 950fps. The hot load was intended for swat and other high risk situations and the lighter was for regular agents on regular duty. S&W built a gun for them that was shipped with two recoil springs, so it could be configured as needed.
As judgeparker mentioned, this plan failed. Agents with mid to small hands just couldn't handle the pistol. The long cartridge made the pistol grip to big. The engineers at S&W realized that they could cut down the case and still get the 950fps specs (and better). Wham the 40S&W was born. Smaller cartridge, plenty of power, standard size grips, and a big hit with law enforcement.
I have read that before, but it is good to read it again. It is some great information that all interested in the firearms field should take the time to read at least once.
Does anyone have any figures . . . pro or con regarding the savings on loading your own ammo ? ?
I ordered some re-loading equipment yesterday, and intend to find out.
Keyman: I have been reloading for 17 years with a Hornady Projector circa 1994 and a Lyman Orange Crusher (for rifle rounds). Hands down reloading is cheeper, and if you work with it you will be able to refine the accuracy of your target or hunting shooting by finding the most effective formular for a given bullet weight, powder load and primer combination. Buy your bullets, power, etc in bulk; you will save big time. I can usually cut my groups down by 1 plus inches in my custom bedded rifles, and develope more powerful loads than factory. By example, I have a Winchester 70 .338 that will shoot 2.5 inch groups at 200 yards with handloaded bullets, but with factory it will shoot 2.5 inches at 100 yards. tkdguy