need advice on a conceal and carry!!!

Discussion in 'Concealed Carry' started by nitsudredle, Apr 10, 2010.

  1. nitsudredle

    nitsudredle Member

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    and i also like the glock 19 seeing as it has the full size grip but is only bigger than the xd in barrel length. does anyone know if the glock is slimmer and if so by how much? i cant find the width of the xd anywhere.
     
  2. tigwelder56

    tigwelder56 Well-Known Member

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    The XD Service Model is 1.25 inches wide. Glocks are 1.18 inches wide.
     

  3. GOANRA

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    Glocks are fine for CC, but a good holster is required to protect the trigger. The Springfield XD has more carry options due to the grip safety.



    Myself, I prefer a short/slim grip for concealment, and a max weight of 20 oz, otherwise I'd leave it home too often.

    I'm very comfortable with 5 [good] rounds... if I'm not in uniform or on-the-job.



    I don't shoot my CC sidearms often. Just enough to be accurate to 30 ft [which is a ridiculous distance for 'defense'].

    I stay in practice with a similar style 22 pistol at the range.



    During my career in law enforcement, [Detroit area], I never knew of any cop firing at more than 12 ft with a sidearm or needing more than 3 rounds. It just ain't like Hollywood.



    Five muggers in a parking garage? Pop one round and they ALL disappear... no one wants to be next.

    Too many unarmed, easy pickin', anti-gun types to choose from.
     
  4. nitsudredle

    nitsudredle Member

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    i just feel like the xd is a good hybrid of everything i want....
     
  5. whitehood

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    goanra,



    I agree with you about most of the G ( I'm forbidden to say the word ) types. Drop one and the rest will haul ass. The problem is some of the cartel guys won't and they could become a huge problem. I live on the border now. It's a lot like the Old West, except I now call it the New West.
     
  6. GOANRA

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    I prefer the XD over the Glock [for non-duty use] due to the grip safety alone.



    There is a "G" word now!

    I can't keep up with the 'thought police'. I know you can't use the term "terrorist" or "terrorism" [they are man-made disasters... or something]. Can't say "Muslim Extremist", "Islamic Fundamentalist" or "War on Terror" .... Have to say Gay instead of Fag and Autistic instead of Retard... etc., etc.

    Can't even ask a woman if she wants to go out for a 'weiner' without getting sued.

    I need a rule book to communicate!!



    Living on the southern border creates a dilema; more [potential] need for firepower + more need for concealment to look harmless. Got to love Texas laws though.
     
  7. lrgcal4fun

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    The Kahr pistols are a good choice for C.C. Very slim and a great reputation. Also, the CW models are much more affordable than the rest of their line. Worth thinking about.
     
  8. 1911ES

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    I try to stick with a quality pistol for CCW. Remember, having less weight is one thing, but too light, and you have to fight the pistol to stay on target and follow-up shots.

    And, the smaller the caliber ...25, .32, .380 ... the more chance the perp. has of surviving, and getting a second chance at you.....

    Glock, S&W and XD's all have lightweight carry pistols that fit the carry role perfectly .... but are still accurate enough for range.

    We all have a personal preference in what type of CCW we choose. You do ...in return, get what you pay for.
     
  9. JustBen

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    Almost all the instructors at Tactical Defense Institute in Southern Ohio carried the Kahr 9mm. Nice looking gun, slim and good quality.
     
  10. GOANRA

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    I was looking a Kahrs in 45acp a while back, but the online reviews scared me a bit. Then I spoke to some folks who've owned them & got great reviews.



    I handled the Kahr 45CW, but found the grip was too long for me [I just can't conceal a long grip]. I ended up with a Taurus Millenium PT745PRO [6+1] in .45acp, +P rated, 21 oz & slimmer than the Kahr.



    The online reviews for the Millenium series bashed it pretty good. Took it to the range twice now... close to 400 rounds [Federal AE 230s] & not a hiccup. Dead accurate, too.

    I still have to slingshot the slide on a mag change [I've always done that anyway] so its not quite broke in yet.



    As a CC only sidearm, it will last me a lifetime. I sold my big dollar sidearms & am much happier now.

    I don't feel like I'm compromising anymore.
     
  11. JustBen

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    Goanra:

    One of the guys I shot with two weeks ago said his Kahr 9mm would not rack by hand like you mentioned. He had to set the slide lock and let it go every time he reloaded. Is that a break in issue, a person with low hand strength or a design/manufacturing issue?
     
  12. GOANRA

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    JustBen, I never had a Kahr, but it seems the slide should lock open when empty. Then put in a new mag & either depress slide release or just pull back on the slide & let it 'slap' a round in.

    I've heard Kahrs have a tough spring, but the slide should fully chamber a round when the slide release is pressed.

    If the slide release lever is seating the 1st new round off the mag properly, then it is working properly.

    My PT745 won't do that, yet, even after 400 rounds & 2 extreme cleanings.

    I'm hoping mine just needs to be broke in with use & doesn't need a stronger spring.
     
  13. lrgcal4fun

    lrgcal4fun Well-Known Member

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    Hay Gents,



    Kahr does recommend a break in period. Their guns are notoriously tight. But if its not functioning properly after the recommended period then it defiantly needs to go back to the factory. I've never owned a Kahr but I have friends who do and wouldn't carry anything els.
     
  14. GOANRA

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    I spoke with JustBen & the issue was resolved as operator error.

    Several of my coworkers in LE used the Kahr 9mm as a BUG &/or off duty carry and swore by them for many years... despite being trashed on so many Internet reviews.



    After a career in LE [Detroit area] I've never learned of a citizen needing more than 2 rounds to diffuse a deadly confrontation.

    I have been reading accounts of the "Armed Citizen" in the NRA magazines for decades and the same holds true.



    In reality, the BG most often disappears as the good citizen draws his weapon, but these cases are rarely reported to the authorities as their actions will only be painfully scrutinized.



    My favorite CC is a lightweight, 5 shot snubbie in .357 Mag or 38spl +P with shrouded or bobbed hammer. Effective, very few parts and they always go 'BANG'.
     
  15. Ratsass

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    Problem with the Kahrs are with the magazines. The bullets all point downward except for the top two. The bullets have to "shift position" to be aligned with the too steep feed ramp. I experienced several malfunctions where the bullet did not pop up the proper alignment and hung up on the ramp. A sharp rap on the butt brings the round into battery. This doesn't happen often, but often enough that I cannot trust Kahr with my life. The guns are great. The magazines are the problem. Don't know why they are designed this way. I've had three Kahrs and they all experienced this problem.
     
  16. JustBen

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    This is one of the reasons I practice "tap-rack" when at the range. I randomly put empty brass in my Glock magazine so I intentionally get misfeeds and failures to fire. This way I practice how to clear the gun without having to think about it. It happens to the best of guns, and especially when handling them under stress, (especially when you are not that good to begin with like me).

    I practiced emergencies while I was a professional pilot, so everything would be automatic when and if a real emergency happened. Even with all that practice, the first few seconds in an emergency your mind does not want to believe something bad is actually about to happen to you and you freeze, (happened to me the first time I lost an engine, but not the second and third times). Therefore I practice as many worst case scenarios as possible while at the range.
     
  17. tigwelder56

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    I was surprised to read that you placed empty brass in your magazines to practice FTF's. I kind of do something similar, I put snap caps in mine and I experience a FTF and FTE. Your method also offers something similar to a jam. Interesting!
     
  18. exhaust

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    I do the same with empty brass. Sometimes I'll load a few in the mag with the live rounds, and I'll also create stovepipes. I have snap-caps, but I can't go crawling around the floor of an indoor range to pick them up.lol Dropping the hammer on empty brass will make you aware of jerking the trigger, too.
     
  19. JustBen

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    If the empty brass is in good shape it loads in my Glock every time, so I like the real nasty ones that are bent up etc... You can also have your buddy do the random load so you do not know when it is going to jam, (not that I would remember anyway).

    Also I have a spare magazine on my belt so if I cannot clear the jam I practice pulling the old magazine out, (which may now be stuck) and loading a new one. I also always pull my mags out and throw them down on every reload. If they are empty it does not usually hurt them especially if I am at an outside range. I do not want to get in the habit of taking the time to put my magazines back in my pocket or on a shelf and then be found shot in a real situation trying to neatly put my magazines away so they dont get bent. Ill spend the $30 for a busted magazine if it means being better prepared.
     
  20. pirouge

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    get a Bersa, problems solved