I got my PF-9 a couple years ago & use the pocket clip. It's a 12 oz stopper with +P BTHPs. I put 50 rounds through it every 6 months. It's good for a paper plate at 30 ft which I find great for civillian carry. It is uncomfortable to shoot, but VERY comfortable to carry. Since 99.99% of the time is spent just carrying the thing in my pocket, I will welcome with the 'kick', when defending my life. I have other pistols for the range.