is it stupid

Discussion in 'Training' started by fuzzy1911, Jul 21, 2007.

  1. fuzzy1911

    fuzzy1911 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah iv'e had my friends say it was stupid for me to train with defence tactics in every room of my house. I train in areas of my home where i frequent the most.Like draw fire move to cover that sort of thing of course the gun is UNLOADED
     
  2. exhaust

    exhaust Well-Known Member

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    Well I guess it could look funny if someone saw you!lol But theres nothing stupid about being better prepared.
     

  3. S&W910

    S&W910 Well-Known Member

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    nothing stupid about it personally i'd keep the windows covered when you're doing it the less ppl see the less they know.. and i have to agree with Glock nothing better then being prepared,,,, my Fiance had an issue with the neighbor she worked with being followed home at 2 am or so i got called she's not really big on me having a gun but she told me to come out with the gun i went out with 2 mags totalling 26 rounds and a set of handcuffs...



    Remember guys and gals there's no points for second place.
     
  4. theolman

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    fuzzy1911,

    I do it all the time when no one is home. I have 2 kids in a rambler house and basement. All bedrooms on the main floor. I practice where I can safely fire and not blast through a wall of a bedroom. Which wall I should lean toward to angle down a hall away from a kids room. Where is an outside wall with no window. Where are the creaky floorboards or stairs to the basement. Nightly while making the all lights off/doors locked rounds I make mental notes of where the piles of homework and books are on the floor.

    Sounds manic but we live in a part of Seattle that is slowly being edged in by multiple family units and the crime rate is slowly going up. Two break-ins (one a next door neighbor in daylight) in the last 9 mos. none on our street in prior 12 years. Last night I came home after dark to see a guy smoking a cig. in the bushes of our 80 yr old neighbors I stared him down and he got up and moved to the far side of the bushes out of sight he thought. I called 911 and after 5 minutes of explaining they said they would make it a priority and send a car passed the house. No car ever came and my wife watched the guy 20 minutes later go across the intersection and disappear while watching our house.

    No Fuzzy you are not stupid.
     
  5. fuzzy1911

    fuzzy1911 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I caught a guy trying to get into my nabors bsement window. I watched for like ten seconds and he moved to the livingroom window i was on my front stoop with my maglite witch also makes a nise batton.I put the lite on his face so he could not see me and said "HEY YOU WHAT THE FU#K ARE YOU DOING"scarred the crap out of him.He replied "I'M JUST TRYING TO GET HOME"by this time the cops were well on there way.He took off into the woods but the cops got him a block away they followed his footprints in the snow and told me he was soaking wet with no coat in 1below zero weather and was above the alcohol limit by 3 times. Then some guy that had been in a fight walked up to my front window like 4 months later with his face all bloody so I dont like to be unprotected when I am at home. So i keep a 357 by my side at all times in the house.
     
  6. gunmonkey1

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    hey fuzzy1911

    i see nothing wrong with what you are doing at home as long as you are being safe i mean there is no better way to prep yourself for action then to get the muscle memory going. i am a weapons instructor for one of the navy's anti terrorism units and we do room clearing drills in out locker room beacuse that is the kind of situation you would run into lots of nooks and cranies... knowing the cover and protected zones in your house gives you an extremely good advantage over joeshit the ragman who is looking to do you harm in your own home. it really is the home court advantage
     
  7. smith6906

    smith6906 Well-Known Member

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    not silly or stupid whatsover, heck i do it all the time, my appartment is in a crappy neghborhood, i have drug dealers on both sides of me, i've found all the entry points, and exit for that mattter, found the best covor area's, what walls i can shoot through if i have to, i've even gone as far as scouting lines into my home incase i ever come home and the door is no longer attached to the frame, its sad these days when you cant feel safe in your own home but in the world we live in, i keep my weapon on my hip wether im at home or out, but there is deffinately nothing wrong with familiarizinig yourself with your homes layout and having a solid practiced plan of defense
     
  8. Knockdownpower

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    I don't think it's stupid either. It is a great advantage to know where the best place is to attack your intruder. I practice clearing my house on a regular basis for the same reasons you guys do. So by all means keep up the good work.

    I like to leave a small or dim light on near the doors. I do this so that the home invader becomes a silhouette target as soon as he breaches the door. Big tactical advantage for me because i'll probably be in a dark bedroom.
     
  9. tigwelder56

    tigwelder56 Well-Known Member

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    Since the consensus is that clearing drills are a good idea, I think the logical "next step" is to pick the brains of our esteemed membership. I would like to get some recommendations from those of you that have experience in this area of expertise. A lot of us have good idea's, but I think few of us are actually trained and proficient in this life and death action.



    Is it possible to have those of you with training in this area, to share some of your knowledge? I for one would be very grateful for your time and suggestions. I know that a verbal description of something so physical won't do the drill justice but it's a start! Anything you can provide will be much appreciated!! Thanks in advance to all interested contributors!



    Tig
     
  10. lrgcal4fun

    lrgcal4fun Well-Known Member

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    Ditto Tig's request!



    Please share you expertise with us.
     
  11. tigwelder56

    tigwelder56 Well-Known Member

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    Hey Monkey! Throw us some of your great info on this topic! Don't make me beg, >>>>PLEASE<<<<!!!!!!!! LOL!!
     
  12. Tralik33

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    I am by no means an expert on this, but I have come across some good tips. One of the best and easiest is to use airsoft pistols for practice. Use safety glasses and possibly face protection and practice shooting at live, moving targets. Another good tip is to practice this type of shooting under duress. Speed and accuracy in training situations are different than when you are in a real life, life or death confrontation. One of the best ways I've found to simulate the effects of adrenaline and a racing heart is to exercise vigorously for a few minutes before doing the drill. The increased heart rate and labored breating are very similar in effect to what adrenaline and the fight or flight reflexes do to your accuracy. Again, practicing with airsoft pistols is a great, relatively safe way to improve your ability to protect your home and family.
     
  13. tigwelder56

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    Excellent idea 33! I haven't shot any airsoft pistols before. What kind of pain are you going to experience when hit with one of those soft BB's? Would heavy clothing, jeans and a long sleeve shirt be adequate to reduce the sting to a tolerable level? LOL!! I've been shot any number of times with a real BB gun (growing up of course!) and I can fondly remember those instances well! I'm always amazed at the luck we experienced as kids when performing "Stupid Human Tricks". The instance that stands out most in my memory was when my best friend Chuck and I were up on Beacon Hill playing search and destroy. I spotted him about 100 feet away and with my pump Crosman BB rifle I saw a flash of color from his blue jacket and point fired. The following thing was perhaps one of the worst things I've ever had to experience. I saw his rifle go flying and he screamed. The next thing I witnessed was him grabbing his face and falling to the ground, screaming in apparent agony! As a 14 year old kid, I was scared to death!! When I made that two second 100 foot dash, Chuck was sitting up. I asked him if I had shot him in the eye and he shook his head in the affirmative. At that point I was ready to puke! I was so sorry and scared for my best friend that I simply didn't know how I was going to make his life "whole" ever again. At the time, at that age, I couldn't compare it to anything worse. So for that moment it was the worst thing I could remember being responsible for. When Chuck finally was able to remove his hands from his face, which was bleeding, I got a look at my marksmanship. Thank God I didn't actually shoot him in either eye. What I had managed to accomplish was a perfectly placed shot right between the eyes! The BB didn't enter deep enough to stay but it damn sure was deep enough to penetrate the first few layers of skin and meat (between the eye brows) and it was bleeding like a stuck pig!



    I thank God every day for letting Chuck keep both of his eyes and encourage every young man and woman with an interest in shooting to not repeat my mistake. That was the last time I ever did that and was the time in my life that proved, you don't aim/fire any gun, at anyone, for any reason, other than causing extreme harm or death. Trust me, there is no fun experiencing a living nightmare like that...
     
  14. Tralik33

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    Ouch, that's a tough lesson to learn. I had a BB bounce back off a flat target and catch me right below my left eye when I was about 14. Needless to say I wear safety glasses now too.



    As for the airsoft guns, they come in different velocities. The ones I have are average velocity, close to 300 feet per second. Up close, without a shirt, they hurt like hell and leave a pretty good welt. With clothes on, it's not as bad though it would still sting to be hit anywhere on exposed flesh. Safety glasses are absolutely required, and I'd likely recommend a face-mask as well. Any long-sleeved shirt and jeans should be fine for body protection. I don't know that the airspft BB's would break glass unless they were really close, but I'd pay attention to what is beyond your target so you aren't shooting the fine china or anything like that.



    The great thing about airsoft guns is that they have a huge replica selection of actual pistols, many of which can be operated using a CO2 cartridge allowing for semi-automatic fire and realistic action. They are alse relatively inexpensive with most models costing about $30-$50. BB's are very cheap and reuseable. All in all they are one of the best training tools available on the market today.
     
  15. NCCCCWteacher

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    Try an IDPA match. That is real world situations on a range with real ammo. And it is fun too. A "win win" situation.
     
  16. JustBen

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    I took a three day class at Tactical Defense Institute in southern Ohio last weekend and they teach house clearing as a primary skill. I got to clear one of their houses with live fire. Really cool. Unless you practice this skill under stress and understand how to use the available space, make the room geometry work for you, learn how to "drop out" and yell comands etc... you are going to be working from behind if it really happens to you. They also teach how to set up your house with night lights to create shadows on intruders and the placement of mirrors etc... If you are serious about self defense, I would highly recommend these guys. I was amazed at how little I really knew, and how poorly skilled I was. Still trying to get better, but at least I have a better understanding now. www.tdiohio.com.
     
  17. GOANRA

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    I have been trained for decades by County/State/Fed during my career. Not likely anyone can get enough.

    I was a trainer for a while & found teaching others was the best way for ME to learn.



    Often, we used 'Simunition' ... 38 cal paintballs shot with revolvers. We wore duty vests & goggles. When clearing a building the GGs had blue paint & the BGs had yellow.

    Too often, the GGs would be hit by blue rounds when missing a BG.

    We were doing this in a bank one night & I took a direct 'yellow' hit to the groin ... ruined my day + embarrassing, but learned the BG 'always' gets the first shot.

    Then was endless carbine & shotgun training.



    In real life stress, that training/practice/muscle-memory kick in and allows for reflexive reaction.
     
  18. St8Shooter

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    Go I almost pee'd myself laughing at your simunition story! They hurt like hell!!!
     
  19. whitehood

    whitehood Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like you need your prostate checked.
     
  20. St8Shooter

    St8Shooter Well-Known Member

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    glad to see the king of all things asshole checked in with another pointless comment..