I stopped defending them years ago. The local Pawn shop had a pair of C9's for $200 and a JHP for $275 last Month. I showed the owner that he could buy new ones for less than that and these three were all well used. I was in there Friday and all three had been sold. Now he has a 995 Carbine for $325, but said he already has a deposit to hold it. Almost makes me want to sell one of mine. I bought my guns new. I bought my C9 for $99, and my JHP and both 995 and 4095 for $119 each.