Gun Laws

Discussion in 'Legal & Political' started by gbshive, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. gbshive

    gbshive Active Member

    The NRA is great in keeping us abreast of what is going on in the state legislature and the congressman and senators to contact and give your input. Right now, S2190 should be reviewed and the above contacted for starters!
  2. gbshive

    gbshive Active Member

    That last post was for Rocket in NJ, not you Tig :) Unless you feel the need to get involved in NJ from Florida.

  3. tigwelder56

    tigwelder56 Well-Known Member

    Trust me GB, I stick my foot in the door every time and everywhere it's necessary! The NRA is an excellent source for help and information, not to mention their endless work to protect our gun rights and the 2nd Amendment. Another good source is the Gun Owners of America (GOA). They have the best legislative section on their website of anyone. They keep us informed of any legislation and who, when and where to make your position known.
  4. roncodrummer

    roncodrummer Well-Known Member

    To Rocket in NJ, here in Illinois, we have a very limited carry law called the "6 Seconds to Safety" law which allows an Illinois FOID card-carrying citizen to have a firearm in his car or on his person as long as it is not loaded and it is locked in a case( be it a gun case, glove box, console, purse,fanny pack, etc.). Ammunition for this weapon can be carried along with the firearm IN THE SAME CASE. It is legislators reasoning that in the event of a life-threatening situation, you can unlock the box, pull your weapon, load it, ready it, and fire on an intruder in a six-second period. Just better hope your ass that the perp has to go through the same crap you do before deciding on attacking you. It is better than a no-carry law but still falls short of MY interpretation of the 2nd amendment.
  5. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ALL of these "laws" are contrary to

    "shall not be infringed"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They ARE!

    The American Communists, Revised Nazis, Assimilated European-cum-American Marxists/Communists/Socialist Democrats/Socialist Workers/Socialist Union Workers/Socialist-Capitalist(ie. "Big Al" Gore)[really! 'at's wot they're called!!]/and last but not least- 'honest'-to-'goodness'- NAZIS... They(Euro-Socialism) came here beginning in earnest during the Antebellum era then with the great immigrations during the 'teens...

    Then post-WWI... Lookit the Depression era- Everything was goin' socialist and the commies historically, want armed citizens-

    GONE!! So, agreeing, does the "Capitalist Pig!"


    These 'Euro-Marxists'(all are variations of the European socialists' 'message' of communism, labor/union-socialism, national-socialism[nazi- nationalsozialism])

    It's,Their shit! Not ours!!

    Socialists are not hallmarked by soldiers marching or cops bashing in doors to arrest their enemies! N O!!

    Modern-day Socialists are college educated and most of 'em hold law degrees!

    THEY(Euro-Socialists), for the most part, ARE THESE('OUR') PRESENT-DAY "liberal/leftist'POLITICIANS'(NOT "statesmen"), LAWYERS,COLLEGE PROFS, PUBLIC HIGHSCHOOL TEACHERS, PUBLIC PRIMARY SCHOOL TEACHERS, UNION BOSSES, HORDES OF BUREAUCRATS[most of whom and their organisation, violate Constitutional boundaries set to protect "We the People" from their very departments' intrusions and et. m....

    Euro-Marxism has corrupted our nations' set laws of "States' Rights"

    Euro-Marxism has corrupted the right of a state to guide their own educational criteria and forced them through financial trickery to extoll the fabric of Marxism upon our childrens' minds- from K to grade12...

    The university is politically polluted.

    They possess whatever the "media" is...

    Marxist/Capitalists, historically, sooner or later PWNED their respective nations' police and military!! And it is happening HERE IN THE NATIONS' CAPITOL- COLUMBIA: THE 'DISTRICT'

    On down to the local cop.

    I feel for our true Cops, Army, Navy, Air Force,Coast Guard and absolutely NOT the least- MARINES!

    Semper Fi!!! DO OR DIE!!!!

    Plus ALL of our Spec-Ops Guys!

    They all shall have hard decisions soon to make...

    I've made mine.

    As a Free Man!


    When they have all of a nations' arms- all hell

    always breaks lose upon the people!!

    Jailed, sent to 'camps' or just simply 'disappear'...

    Look at all which they('new' democrats indies & rino's) have done already!!!

    It's firkin' sobering and frightening!

    We are at that time the Founders spoke of.

    The destruction force from within- An imported governmental form and philosophy- not a foreign army or king...but, A POLITICAL PARTY!

    Personally... I SHALL NOT surrender even one


    I'd rather DIE A FREEMAN than be a 'New-Age' SLAVE under these 'New' Democrats...

    The 'Old' Democrats WERE THE SLAVERS AND SLAVE-OWNERS of early America!!

    They're returning to their partys'philosophical 'roots' with Marxism entwined for an even greater insult towards our freedom!

    A slave-master controlled his slaves food, clothing, shelter, medicine,(if any) and medical treatment, 'family' or 'breeding'(this term's been heard and spoken in high levels of US bureaucracies more often nowadays)... and where he can and cannot go...

    This is harsh shit![Enio Gonzalez, ennyone?]

    It's tough enough for our nations' governance to operate according to our Constitutions' provision.

    As we Americans tend to quarrell between the

    "Conservatives" and the "Liberals" living in America...

    Now this poisonous philosophy has extended its' bloody, dark tendrils deep into Americas' vitals...

    Causing the politico to become so corrupt and eroded

    they have chosen to cast aside Constitutional Articles which govern presidential eligibility and then flaunt it for all the world to see their criminality and thus severly to weaken the nations' veracity... A mockery as Roman the

    sale of the throne... Every nation on earth knows

    your sin...

    "Free Thinking" is the Hallmark of our Constitution-

    As little Gov't intrusion as humanly and legally possible...

    "Suspicion" The 4th Amendment? Is such merely, empty words of an old and forgotten statement

    written upon some dusty manuscript

    secreted away in a museum

    Any citizen can have their doors bashed-in today as these TRULY NAZI 'laws' & bureaucratic enforcers carry out the desires of A POLITICAL PARTY RATHER THAN THE "WILL OF THE PEOPLE!"

    The EuroMarxistDemocrazi Party & the BigPig MoneyGOPers have so far successfully convoluted every Constitutional

    law & article to their favor!!!

    Biden is even at it NOW!!

    He's making his anti-Armed American Citizen

    statement- Even though he violates OUR Civil Rights!!!

    @ this very moment he's attempting to destroy rules within the Senate which give minority party an equalizing force outside of committee...

    His(Biden) wording is so obviously stinking two-faced, twisted and full of duality he should

    be arrested for sedition!!



    They have become THIS FOUL, BLATENTLY



    ... Who are totally hostile

    towards the Constitution- Its' intents and meanings!

    Wot a bunch of reprobates!!

    And some are proud of it...

    NEVER before- in the USofAs' history;

    Even as regarding the many accounts of

    Americas' sins of having had slavery... the

    War Between the States which followed...

    including the intolerance displayed, even today,

    towards those fellow Americans-set free to live.

    The many cruel mistreatments of the American Indian-

    plus the varied in-fighting within territories and state , terrible as these all were...

    Plus two World Wars and others, though

    lesser in dimensions of size- never in it's

    inherent horrors experienced-

    Has this nations' "Supreme Law of the Land": The Constitution; Which gives Nationhood and Steadfast Law to "We the People" (NOT "WE THE 'PARTY'(s)!")...

    - been DIRECTLY THREATENED to the

    very content and existence of

    THE LAW![/b

    Civil wars have been instigated and ignited on even half of what has so far occurred in these United States!!

    What in Hell are 'they' doing!?!

    In the Name of Our Constitutions' Authority:


    ... before 'events', which historically nearly always

    follow such darkened behavior from a nations' misled authorities and tunnel-vision'd leader(s)...

    of all the souls concerned-

    render it too late...

    Wot a rant! Huh?!

    It's true, though...

    Shit, I'd wish to be making this stuff up!

    It's happened- It's happening!

    I mean, like sure our technology and societal

    customs, outlook, education( 1st worlds'...)

    and the such have advanced...

    It's what people with power do!

    Look at the chicanery, treasons, dirty-

    dealing, robbery, cheating, back-stabbing

    attacks of war, deceptions, murder,

    betrayals... every wickedness of men

    and women in power are revealed in

    the books of history...

    sure there are some good and kind acts

    here & there... However, bad is more


    Our leaders may not perform the exact physical

    incidents of history as was once done...

    Heh,heh... The same exact parts

    of the HUMAN BRAIN are still

    in full operation!!!!

    The brain is still of the same dimensions!


    Ain't changed much... Time may have

    changed the order of mankinds' societies.

    But, it hasn't changed the brains' structure that


    The 'wicked' part is still the 'wicked' part.

    Function cares not for what occurrs on

    outside the 'shell' It's still the very same

    electronics Mungg the Kaboohl had to

    deal with 10,000 years ago...

    So then....

    These guys'll stop @ nothing in order to crush OUR Great "Bill of Rights"...

    The Dems twist definitions, break legal boundaries with 'lawyer-ese' and outright contradiction as their media partners cover-up and/or ignore obvious convolution of OUR laws


    Shed tears for OUR DYING CONSTITUTION!

    What these 'party-first' politicians are doing is really


    And The Democrats have the unmitigated gall to portray their Party and behaviors as 'ones for peace,' the 'seekers of wisdom' and followers of the way of 'peace.'


    You 'Democrats' and BPMGOPers would have others to cast the blood for your 'clean' hands' sake...

    You stand in the noonday sun- naked for all to see! Those who follow you are damned for their own choice made; Knowing the truth and to still, follow.

    Them who resist... To Glory over this sedition from within the very bowels of this foregone administration


    Administering what?

    You (Euro-Marx-O'Democrazis)are as a preacher who redefines his 'God' at every

    different place he visits!!

    You play legalese games with the straightforewardness

    of the Constitution and twist her Articles' and Amendments' meanings to favor your corrupted partys' vile favour.

    You ALL are temporal...


    The Constitution is "...For the Ages!"

    Sen. Biden! You have NO legitimate position to make!


    There is no 'permanence' to the body of your argument.

    That "body" of the Senate IS TEMPORAL!

    They are voted 'in.'

    And voted 'out.'


    Or... are deceased.

    Your point is legally moot and dead.
  6. tigwelder56

    tigwelder56 Well-Known Member

    Hey Moose, could you expound on your position?
  7. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ... urrf.

    It'll take a few days to refuel after that one...

    ... gives me headaches...

    God, I miss those days back when these issues were as distant as Pluto and completely ridiculous...

    I'd simply go out w/my .177 Diana or the ol' Winchester pump .22 and hunt squirrels n' rabbits...

    This... isn't 'progress.'

    It's a historys' repetitive unlearned lesson.
  8. roncodrummer

    roncodrummer Well-Known Member

    Geeez, what do we have to do here in Illinois to get the chance to protect ourselves with a CCW law????? Shot down again yesterday. And then the mayor of Chicago has nagoochies enough to request a contingent of body guards to protect him and his family after office. Feel unsafe, mr. mayor? Welcome to the rest of the law-abiding citizens of Illinois! And the alderman in Chicago all have concealed weapons permits!!!! Talk about a political double-standards.

    FLOTUS Active Member

    Tig, love your dry reply to MooseShaman.

    Love you, Moose... you're awesome! You should start your own forum, just so you can publically let it all out. Call the forum, "Fireside Chats with the Shaman" or "Pass the Peace Pipe of Enlightenment."

    Roncodrummer, I'm a musician. I'm assuming you are also, due to your alias. Loved your comment. I feel your pain.
  10. roncodrummer

    roncodrummer Well-Known Member

    @FLOTUS- Yep, been playing professionally for 34 years and counting. Someday maybe Illinois will get it right.
  11. FLOTUS

    FLOTUS Active Member

    Ronco, I'm not sure how to "friend" people around this site, so I'm going to add you to the folks I follow here. I like meeting up with musician-gunnies!
  12. PaulM1951

    PaulM1951 Active Member

    I don't know if I'm in the right Forum? If not sorry but I have a quick question. I was stoped for speeding. I was. The Trooper looked new I could see the look on her face as she walked up to my window. She had her hand on her firearm so I made sure both my hands were on the steering wheel so she would see them. When I gave her my DL I handed her my carry permit which is the law. She looked at it like I had 2 heads I think she never saw one before. She asked me if I was carrying I said yes, she asked me where I said right here on my belt. She said she would feel safer if I gave her my firearm to hold during the stop. I said thats nice but no. You have nothing to be afraid of. I got the ticket and went on my way. Could she have made trouble for me by my refusing? Thanks I live in NC
  13. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ...I'm pretty much stuck in my medical bed now...or lyin' down on a cot... I can only operate from bein' on my side or back! Even typing physically hurts... I'm glad- in a way- I'm on my way out. I cannot bear seeing this nation being squandered away by a pack of renegade lawyer/politicians ennymore. Every friggin' day now these bums come up w/a new angle of attack upon the Constitution and our 'guaranteed' Civil Rights. WHY! Who would do such things? What are 'their' intentions?

    Where did this 'doctrine' of theirs come from? When did these legalistic(though glaringly unconstitutional)changes first begin?... Well, during the 50's anti-constitution joking and argument began in the Beat-scene and on college campus- Though the Civil Rights movement had true goals... The mocking and degradation of the "Greatest Generation" had begun and turned earnestly against the victors of WW2 in the so-called "Youth Movement." Yeah, 'Hitler' "Youth" that is! The entertainment community turned on the vets. The professorial level of education began to indoctrinate students into a mish-mosh of Marxism/socialism. Kinda as a 'scab' forming over the sorely wounded socialist agenda of Europe. The Nazi military signed the surrender... The Nazi politico- HAD NOT! Hitler(ism) was NOT the true face of the National Socialists! He was an anomaly- So was Stalin as well. By the time Hitler had murdered most of Germanys' Socialist Partys' Founders- Socialism was beginning to take hold in the United States & Canada... Really, forms of socialism were blooming everywhere around the industrialised nations of the world... And the capitalists... just LOVED THIS!

    WW2 and the Cold War were merely a couple of 'speed-bumps' to this 'movement!' Presently...and again in earnest, "It" HAS infected the 'leadership' of the USA. "It" PWNS(owns) the late Democratic Party- And I cannot prove this- However it makes sense: The shooting of Ariz. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords by a LEFT WING-NUT crazy was a hit-job sending a 'message' to the rest of the House Dems to toe-the-line! The heroic Representative voted AGAINST Pelosis' return to the House Chair- Thus, breaking-up the USNazi'scab' trifecta of their top-end US federal govt control! This sounds mad... Yet it makes sense.

    That punk didn't even shoot BB guns- Yet, he shows up there armed w/2 of the most advanced handguns in this modern world- firing away as routine: dispersing the crowd, isolating his main target and firing a head-shot...before... changing magazines... THAT takes some training; ESPECIALLY w/a pair of full-auto Glocks!!

    This brings to mind the Jablonski murders of 1966 I believe...political party, unions & the Mob... Nuts.

    This national socialist dogma has been building, bit by bit since the turn of the last century. Like 'we' won WW2... However the 'monster' simply jumped-ship and turned-up here, in the party most susceptible to "Its'" dogma and philosophy. Hell, 'it' was already here.

    Just look at what has transpired so far in this country! ... Shit. What's comin'? What is coming?

    The thing is, here in America, "socialism" is still, just a philosophy... The Constitution- Is Law!

    Makes me wanna cry... What a fuggin' mess!
  14. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ...P.S. "Operation Gun Runner."

    Need I say any more?
  15. FLOTUS

    FLOTUS Active Member

    SittingMoose, despite the pain you're in, you still made the effort to share the truth with all of us. I'm so sorry to learn of your physical condition. God bless you. I will keep you and our country in my prayers.
  16. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ...thanx. Gotta carry 'n' call out the 'message'- 'till I'm gone... The Message shall go on!
  17. PaulM1951

    PaulM1951 Active Member

    Sitting, Thank You and God Bless May Our Republic Live on and not let Our fore fathers ideas die.
  18. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ...OUR Nations' Constitution does not fail "We the People," EVER!!...the succession of elected leaders do! The pundits, greedy "law"(!?!)-yers and corrupted politicians can minimise the Constitution all they want- These precious words have withstood the test of time... And Her Liberties- these misguided officials!

    More and more the American people are becoming personally aware of the Truth and Supremacy held within the Constitutions' Articles and Amendments; For the more the socialists try to circumvent, mock and bring harm to Her- The people are all the more exposed to what Rightsthey were in ignorance of actually possessing. And equally, the CONTROL "We the People" have over and towards, our elected AND APPOINTED BUREAUCRATIC leaders...

    In ~70 years the USofA shall become a "Classical Nation." Thus, joining the worlds' aged campus of established, "Old Countries"...

    I won't be there to partake in the celebration- However, my children shall! And this Republic shall still be cemented firmly within Her Structure of Law;

    The "Supreme Law of the Land."
  19. FLOTUS

    FLOTUS Active Member

    SittingMoose, I hope you're correct about our original laws and Constitution living on beyond all of us. Sadly, the older I get (I'm 47), the more and more I see the socialists' inroads in breaking down every liberty that we've got. I'm sure you are familiar with "the art of boiling a frog." We are the frog, and by the time we realize that the heat was turned up (i.e., what has been taken from us), it will be too late to spring from the pot.

    Peace and blessings to you...
  20. sittingmoose10.31_51shaman

    sittingmoose10.31_51shaman Well-Known Member

    ...every now 'n' then there comes a bunch of wise frogs who know when to jump out and turn the pot upon the cooks!