Gun Laws

Discussion in 'Legal & Political' started by gbshive, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. gbshive

    gbshive Active Member

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    Hi Everyone,

    After years of saying I was going to do it I finally went through the long process in NJ to get my Hand gun and long gun permits and ID. I also this weekend took and passed the rifle, blackpowder, and shotgun test in my state to get my hunting license. So I am leaving this post for all the congratulations I will receive from everyone <grin>. Believe me in NJ it is an accomplishment. As a lifelong ffirearm enthusist it is nice to be able to purchase and shoot.

    In NJ as I am sure in a few of your states it really is an experience. With the waiting and background checks. Then the separate permits and starting again for a hunting license. If you are a law abiding person they check everyone from your pediatrician who delivered you to the guy you by your newspaper from to be sure you are not a criminal. And then wait to see if you will forget or die of old age. Because every criminal of course goes through legal procedures right?

    I always considered myself open minded and a very liberal person. That is why I believe so fervantly in the NRA and the second amendment. But I just want all the congratulations for the accomplishment <grin again>! Really I do feel special after almost a year's work. Really all I wanted was to sport shoot.

    And not to sound biased. I know people are people but the majority of those who I have come in contact with with an interest in firearms have been VERY STABLE, helpful, and friendly.

    I again want to thank the members of this site for their help. If any read this far.

    G
     
  2. beltbuckle

    beltbuckle Well-Known Member

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    Well let me be the first; Congratulations on an arduous journey leading to a great accomplishment.
     

  3. GOANRA

    GOANRA Well-Known Member

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    G; Big congrats on surviving all that grief!!



    It completely escapes me how 'we allow' the government to interfere with our Second Amendment to the Constitution, which is clearly stated as a "God given" and "inalienable right" to "Keep and Bear Arms", which in 18th century english, translates into "Possess & Carry Arms".



    In most places in the U.S. the legislators made laws trying to allow 'Government' to grant or restrict such rights.



    Our founders made it clear, that our Bill of Rights is "God Given" and these 'rights' can never become "Government Given".

    Mr. James Madison left no room for interpretation regarding the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Yet, many persist to limit OUR rights.
     
  4. HenryLeverAction

    HenryLeverAction Well-Known Member

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    Well... I say we all just carry a gun through main street. you, your wife, your kids. Everybody. and if anyone stops you... plead the second.



    sound good?



    Congratulations on your ability to remain sane in the process of getting your license in NJ.

    I'll stick with Indiana laws ;) much easier.
     
  5. gbshive

    gbshive Active Member

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    Henry - I don't know about that living in Jersey :) I would be concerned if some crackhead or freak totally flipped out on acid seeing the devil everywhere was walking down main with a gun. But as much as i disagree with many of the legal aspects of local state and fed government after going through all the red tape to get here I am a little less upset by it. I guess now I am cocky and smug and say you want a firearm make the effort :) Half joking here. I oddly enough consider myself a very liberal person though and that is why I support the constitution and the right we should have without having unfair infringements.
     
  6. GOANRA

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    The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States does NOT allow for any interference by our government representatives. [Endowed by our Creator, not our government]. See the 10th Amendment in our Bill of Rights regarding federal interference, etc.]



    Two States currently recognize "Constitutional Carry" [aka: no government involvement with people who carry their firearms]. Vermont, Alaska with Wyoming pending at the moment.



    Most States have alienated us from our ["inalienable"] 2nd Amend Right to various, and illegal, degrees.

    It is necessary to reclaim and enforce, through carefully chosen representatives, our Constitutional Rights.
     
  7. HenryLeverAction

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    most certainly agreed goanra.



    I was just watching part of the movie Anne Frank - the movie was based off the journal written by Anne Frank during Germany's invasion of her country. I don't know what everyone thinks about the Bible, but, I am going to refer to it here, and if you don't like it, get over it, at least you'll see the moral to the story.



    In the book of Ester, the Jews basically escaped persecution and extinction by fighting off their attackers. I was thinking, if they didn't have those weapons to defend themselves, they would have been eliminated without thought. The same type of thing happened in the reign of Hitler.

    There is a movie I have seen about Jews that defended themselves against the Nazi's. The movie is based off a true story about where 4 Jewish brothers team up to create a resistance against the Nazi's. I forget the name of the movie but, it is a phenomenal movie.

    If they hadn't had their weapons, they would have been unsuccessful in saving so many Jewish people.



    If we don't have our weapons, we are asking for persecution on ourselves... Our weapons are what keep us free. You get rid of those and you just about lose your way of life.

    The people that want to get away from firearms are the people that have the least experience with them, or just bad experience. We should work to get a good experience and positive thoughts about gun ownership. Frontsight is attempting this, and doing very well.



    A civilian who isn't armed can be a casualty. A civilian who is armed, he can be a soldier.
     
  8. GOANRA

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    Yup. It's always the liberals who promote socialism and we end up with HUGE government + the people 'fearing their government'.



    Mega-Liberals like Hitler, Che, Castro, Stalin, Mao, etc., have exterminated over 90 million of their own innocent people, with the real number likely double.



    In each case, Gun-Control was a prelude.

    For example:

    When the Nazis gained power, gun registration laws, having been passed under the Weimar government, were already in effect. On March 18th, 1938, the Nazis further restricted gun rights, restricting the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbidding trade in weapons without a government-issued license. Known as the Nazi Weapons Law or Waffengesetz, this, in effect, limited firearm ownership solely to Nazi party members and other reliable people.



    Liberals lead to socialists to dictators in the name of "Doing what is best for the people", which usually results in exterminating countless citizens. They all offered free Health Care ... coincidently.



    History will always repeat itself.



    Our Founders knew this from their history and wrote The Constitution of the United Stated, endowed by our creator ONLY. The government can give us nothing, because in the U.S, we ARE the government.



    Now we will use our NRA and votes to attempt to save our nation. And use the USSC to dump ObamaCare.
     
  9. tigwelder56

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    Obama Finds Legal Way Around The 2nd Amendment And Uses It.



    If This Passes, There Will Be WAR



    Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States



    The Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.



    The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.



    This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.



    Read the Article



    U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade



    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.



    The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015







    Silence HAS lead us to Socialism!!!
     
  10. whitehood

    whitehood Well-Known Member

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    Are you really surprised? There are a number of articles about Obama exhibiting signs of mental illness. Google up Obama and mental illness. Sobering.
     
  11. tigwelder56

    tigwelder56 Well-Known Member

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    Certanly not. None of this surprises me. I realize that alot of it is dated but what it is is true. I post it because I want to make sure everyone has the opportunity to read it and come to their own conclusions. If they have questions about it, we're here to help them figure it out. What's important is making sure as many people as possible are aware of this f*cking communist SOB and his plan to ruin the greatest country in the world. We're awfully close to being put on life support and I damn sure don't want that prick's doctor taking care of the country when or if it is.
     
  12. HenryLeverAction

    HenryLeverAction Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! Most people you talk to around the world don't have a clue! Like seriously! People turn on the TV and absorb the "facts" given to them through the media. Did you guys listen to the "State of the Union" speech? WOW! Obama fed about a million lies, and did these facts get checked? no...

    I'm glad to see that there is still critical thinkers out in this world. Luckily, they all have guns! ha ha.

    Here is what you need to do guys. Don't get your guns registered from now on, Don't buy from places where you get a background check. At the gun shows around here you just gotta be 21. Show your ID that your 21 and hand over the cash. The government has no knowledge of you owning that firearm. Keep it safe just in case it gets hot. Oh.... and Keep your AK on full auto for when times get tough.
     
  13. GOANRA

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    I didn't listen to the reading of 'State of the Union' address from the teleprompter that the speechwriter wrote. There would be nothing credible to learn.



    Barack Hussein Obama has lost ALL credibility quite a while ago; there is no longer any reason to listen to his voice speaking words.



    Twenty States are now fighting the HC scam of the USSA through the United States Supreme Court [before someone actually reads and 'interprets' the 2500 pages of legalese.



    We still have a chance of reclaiming the USA in November. We will then know if we have a 'chance' to de-socialize or whether personal liberty is lost.

    There is nothing in between.
     
  14. HenryLeverAction

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    I just received this in an email and thought I should share...

    I don't think the links came through. I'll supply them if you are interested.



    USA Today Poll on Gun ownership



    Obama's new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2ndAmendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.

    Here's what you need to do:

    First - vote on this one.

    Second - launch it to other folks and have them vote - then we will see if the results get published.

    The Question is:





    "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"





    Click on the link below and vote.

    USATODAY.com - Quick Question
     
  15. HenryLeverAction

    HenryLeverAction Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad to see other people are already on top of this. thanks a bunch beltbuckle!
     
  16. GOANRA

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    When I was studying for my Justice Degree, I came across countless studies indicating how 'gun control' escalates crime stats.

    Some interesting ones were done with convicts in various penitentiaries around the U.S. They were about 96% in favor of 'Gun Control'.

    Not surprising since 'Gun Control' "LAWS" only apply to the "LAW- abiding" citizens, who in no way, benefit by these illegal distortions of the 2nd Amendment.



    In reality, those who promote 'Gun Control' cannot be considered 'law-abiding' citizens, but we often elect people of highly questionable character to represent us.
     
  17. HenryLeverAction

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    All gun restrictions do is take away getting guns legally... How does it take them away from the people that are already buying them illegally? Politicians just have to brains...



    Take away humanities guns and they'll use knives, take away their knives they'll use rocks... how are you gonna ban rocks being made? Cain killed Abel... without an AK-47
     
  18. Rocket11213

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    So many states are passing laws for there residents to protect themseles be it a car jack law which allows car owners to keep a loaded pistol in care glove to resit a car jack, More inportantly many states I think # of states appox now 35 have passed carry on there person conceal handgun. What is state of New Jersey being so stuborn not even condering passing anytyp be car hijack protection or more inportantly carry conceal handgun permits for there residents to protect themseleves. Why NJ which has one of the most violent crimes state and many crimes are with illeag fully auto gun carry by criminal etc. so criminals who dont obey laws but break them, run with guns and law abiding residents are at the mercy of these animals, I like to know why NJ has not passed any gun laws to protect residents?

    last if Nj every does get around passing ccw laws for residents which I doublt . what is garden varity requiements to be grated a permit. no arrest record and or does a arrest record have anything to do with out come of misdermenor disorderly. clean record is a no question, but what about people who have small run in how does the arrest vs the court outcome differ? and what list of offenses will be denied a ccw permit. and of them which can be expundged? I hear laws change an vary , just curious what current sistuation out there today.
     
  19. tigwelder56

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    Hey Rocket, the only way NJ residents are going to change things will be when they vote the right people into office. It's your elected officials that control those decisions and people forget that it's the citizens that control the official. Until people stop allowing their elected officials to walk all over them and start demanding they legislate the items that matter to them, you'll never see NJ law change.



    As for your questions about concealed carry law, each state, while similar is different and you should Google your states information. If you want to read something related to a state with more freedoms than your own, Google Florida's law. Basically, any felony convictions will disqualify you forever (unless your rights are restored). Any misdemeanor convictions for assault or domestic violence, disqualifies you until the courts say otherwise. Any record of drug or alcohol addiction is also a disqualifier. The rules are easy to determine by searching any states firearm statutes.