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Discussion in 'Gun Chatter' started by freedompr, Jul 16, 2007.
I was working up to a M&P compact but got side tracked by a good deal on a Dan Wesson revolver.
You should work up to one of those good looking Glocks! lol
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Tomato, tomatoe, it's all personal preference. They will both put a major hurting on you regardless of looks! I agree that the 9mm is plenty deadly, bullet aside, shot placement trumps caliber everytime. I'm beginning to lean toward the Barnes X bullets versus the frangibles. The tests of the solid copper round are very impressive. I have them in my 1911 and my 38 Spc. 2". I'm very confident with their performance. There are so many choices now that deciding what to use could easily drive you nuts!!lol!
I don't understand the dislike for the Glock's grip angle. When I picked up my 23 the first time it was like an extension of my arm! It fit perfectly and quick point shooting was always accurate. I believe that whatever pistol you're shooting, if you practice with it enough and learn its characteristics, pretty soon it'll feel second nature. After getting used to any grip angle, anything else is going to feel different and wrong. Find a reliable pistol and that's the key word "reliable" and then practice with it until you're so familiar with it that it's like part of your arm.
Those run smooth through your 1911 tig? Sweet!! Both my 1911"s won't go through a mag without jamming, so I'm Powerball all the way! My G30 has no issues with the DPX so I carry them in that. The DPX may very well be one of the best rounds available.
I don't fuss much over what to put in the .45. Fmj's will do the trick but in the 9 those Barnes X bullets are perfect. Opens on impact and cuts like razors. That'll make a mess.
I just can't go for a Glock, ever since I tried to put a stereo in my sister's VW I've been skeptical of Germanic engineering.
I haven't had any problems with those Glock. There was one issue that I should mention though. I recently purchased a buffer that fits on the recoil spring guide. It cushions the battering the gun takes on recoil. As soon as I installed it and racked the slide I could tell immediately that it was different. When I pulled the slide back it hit the buffer and was silent, no metal to metal noise. Then I inserted the magazine and racked the slide. The first round peeled off the mag (Barnes X 185GR HP) and it immediately jammed on the feed ramp. It caught on the hollowpoint. I didn't have a FMJ round to try. I tried this several times and got the same result. Prior to that, without the buffer, I had never had a FTF with any type of ammo. Needless to say I removed the buffer and as expected, the pistol loaded, fired and ejected perfectly. I was going to buy these buffers for my Glock but will save my money and time instead.
i agree on bullet placement, and if you consider that a 22 cal. is the most deadly caliber of them all then you'll be just about right. back on subject though i'd agree that in a 45 you don't need more then a FMJ,,, 9mm and any other caliber pick your poison
i'd even go so far as to say a 40 would be fine with a FMJ.
Tig if you still have the buffer and haven't tried it with FMJ's i'd say put the buffer in and try it..
don't know how many of you know this by word of mouth or by having it happen but Colt 1911's do not like hollow points or anything OTHER THAN A FMJ.
I'll agree if you use a weapon long enough you get used to it, as far as grips, your hand has to be able to comfortably fit the firearm in the first place grip wise.... only took me 1-2 times firing my dads Sig P230 380 to find out that if you don't hold it just right your knuckle on your thumb gets a pretty long line with that red goey junk they call blood coming out of it. needless to say i have hands that fit some medium and large frame weapons yada yada basically the point is you need to be able to fit the frame before you buy it, almost promise thats where the ppl that think glocks look and feel weird is the issue not the right frame size.
I've owned my Colt 1911 Series 70 since 1978. It will feed and fire absolutely anything I have fed it. I fire as many HP loads through it as FMJ, without any problems whatsoever. I have never, repeat never had a FTF in this sweetheart of a gun. I need to have the ejection port opened a bit because it dents the ejected cases. Seems that Colt designed the ejection port higher in the 70 series pistols. But since this is a Glock or Beretta thread I don't want to get too far off topic. I agree that a FMJ in a .45 was the original load created for the pistol and provided the sledge hammer effect they needed at the time. The FMJ has better performance through barriers as is the case with most FMJ's vs HP's. Once a HP goes through a barrier it can but not always by any means fill the HP full of crap and you end up with a homemade FMJ! But you can't dismiss the lethality of a hollowpoint round simply because of an occasional failure to expand. The technology has come way too far to ignore its performance. A FMJ is going to provide a lot of penetration, too much in many cases and in a household shooting, the FMJ is going to go through walls like butter. The newer HP's and frangibles are designed to provide additional safety with that danger in mind. The wound channel made by a round designed specifically for defensive/offensive use should provide the additional performance desired to stop a man, by delivering superior tissue destruction. The FMJ while a lethal load doesn't offer the same amount of destruction a hollowpoint does.
Tig no arguement there on the rounds and maybe you at one point in time cleared the feed ramp of those lines some many people do not get rid of that go side to side and cause failure to feed and jams..
as for the rounds i stack my rounds in my 9mm starting off with a 124 gr hydroshock next a winchester 147 gr hollowpoint next 115 gr winchester fmj just for good measure anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least 3 times.
Granted on the jams though Tig cheap ammo like pmc unless the tolerances hold for that round they'll gum it up and jamp the hell out of it
I've got one of those recoil buffers in my 1911, I only get FTFs with Wolf SJHP or if I try to ease the slide. If I let the spring shut the action on a new mag there's no problem.
By the way, I shot a Beretta 96 DAO at the range today. SUCKED! One of the worst double action pulls I've ever felt and with the alloy frame and no weight on the slide the .40 makes it jump all over the place.
It didn't matter what I tried, I couldn't get the slide to close on a round without jamming with that buffer in place. I really thought that was going to be a tits idea! Not on this pistol. S&W, I haven't ever had to work on my Colt. Shoot it, clean it and trust it completely regardless of the load. I have a really reliable pistol and I haven't done any work on it because I see no reason to mess with something that works perfectly. Just as soon as I did something, you can bet your ass it would start jamming! I'd never forgive myself, lol!!
Ag, everything I've heard about the 92 and 96's have confirmed your statement, the trigger pull sucks bad. I hear so many bad things about them, I wonder why you have the fans that it seems to? I guess everyone gets lucky occasionally. Another very sad bit of information regarding this pistol is the ridiculously high price they're asking for it! $715.00, give me a break. That's a big price for a POS...
Tig i agree don't fix it if it isn't broken.
AG i've shot a 92 and a 96 they both suck.
The guy who owned it bought it off a friend for $200 with about 100 rnds through it. He said that's the only reason he bought it and I told him he could probably sell it for twice that or get good value on a trade for something else. If it were me I would have ran right out and traded it in on something good.
maybe around 450 Ag depending on outward appearance and performance
I have shot both and I think that it is hard to compare. They are different types of guns. The glock being a poly and the beretta being all metal. I was issued a 92 during my military service and I didn't have any trouble with them. I thought it was just too heavy and long to carry around 24 hours a day. I have shot Glock 23 and found it very enjoyable to shoot. I think that people who like heavy guns would appreciate the beretta and people who like light guns would like the glock. If I had to choose one I would choose the glock because It is easier to conceal and carry and there is very little maintenance. I was noticing people talking about glocks having hard recoil and I would like to suggest looking at the EFKfiredragon website, they have a dual spring set up kit like HK's have reducing recoil considerable. Never tried it but maybe you can create a subject ofter you look at the site to see if anyone has.
I'd say Glock period due to the track record they have compared to Beretta.
I think the PX4 Beretta was being discussed. That's a poly pistol.
The other Beretta polys haven't reviewed well but I haven't heard a bad word yet about the PX4.
I shot a 92 at the range not too long ago. I think it's got an aluminum frame. It was lighter than my 1911. I just thought the trigger totally sucked.
shoot it some more compared to the glock