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Discussion in 'Pistols' started by zaki1, Apr 24, 2006.
Sensei, did you have any luck finding the springs you were looking for?
I had a 380 backup years ago, total POS. Had to go back to the factory twice, came back all scratched up both times. Had a nearly 40 pound (Gunsmith at the place I shot's best guess, his scale didn't come close to going high enough.) trigger pull when new. After it went back to AMT the second time, it was only about 25 pounds, and it still jammed constantly. I finally had the gunsmith take it apart (he said it was amazingly crude), and polish up a few things and it actually didn't cut my finger anymore, and would shoot an entire mag of hardball without jamming, most of the time.
I couldn't depend on it, so I sold it and tried several others before getting and sticking with a Beretta 950 Jetfire. I still have it, almost 28 years later.
I've got the DAO 380, bought it maybe 6 or 7 years ago, don't recall. I haven't had near the problems most people have had with their's. Was yours a SA or DAO? I don't have luck with anything but ball ammo. I read in some report that you're not supposed to shoot anything but ball ammo in an AMT 380 Back Up. I don't know about the other caliber pistols. Mine is quite reliable with ball ammo and in a split second I think I'd rather be able to throw 6 ball ammo slugs at the bad guy than a rock. A gunsmith told me some time ago that if you buy a snap cap and just dry fire the pistol over and over it'll smooth out a lot of that crude machining AMT is known for. I agree with you 100% on the trigger pull being a bear! I think mine is in the neighborhood of 15 pounds. I've also got a Beretta Jetfire and 21A in 25acp. I guess we think a bit alike! I went out today and bought a Seecamp 32acp. I hope it's as good as they have been said to be!
It was DAO. The triggers seem to vary all over the place, from merely "stiff" to like mine where it was almost like something was stuck inisde, and was about to break. I liked the gun itself, if I had any confidence it would fire when I might have needed it, I wouldn't have offed it. I'm not keeping any gun I can't depend on.
This is a statement from the Internet Armory regarding ammunition selection for this small auto. I gave up shooting JHP's in mine some time ago due to the unreliability of it. This short comment by them might answer some questions people have about this pistol's reliability and one possible way to improve on it.
"Federal FMJ, 95 grains, has a 51% one shot stopping success. This cartridge is well suited for use in the Davis P-380, Accu-Tek, EAA -380, Tanarmi, AMT/OMC/TDE "Backup", Heritage, FIE, Jennings, Bryco, Lorcin, Llama, and other low-priced handguns. The JHP ammunition should never be considered for use in these firearms."
cynykle1 try the dealer you purchased it from.or the state police who control the registration of firearms in your state.i had one in .45 acp WOW!!!!! what a handfull.I HAD TO GLUE A PEICE OF RUBBER TO THE BOTTOM OF THE MAG BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST POPPING OUT OF MY GRIP.
hey tig, I noticed you are looking for ammo for your AMT. Have you tried Fiocchi JHP? They are a tad shorter than most, and work will for me in .32, 380 an 9x18. gun
I haven't tried the HP's in my AMT 380, but have tried them in my Seecamp 32. They were much too long to even fit into the magazine of the Seecamp. They are a recommended load for the Seecamp but I've had nothing but problems with them. They have changed their bullet design for the 32 at Fiocchi as well. They used to have a semi jacketed HP and now they offer a full jacketed HP. Neither one worked for me in the 32. I'll pick some up for my 380 and hope they feed. AMT has mentioned in the past that you should only shoot ball ammo in their Back Up models. But they have changed ownership a few time and it's hard to say what changes the new manufacturers have made. Thanks for the tip!
what year is your seecamp, tig. they work great in my seecamp and bersa 380. Who can figgure this stuff. A guy must just have to hold hi lip rite.................gun
Here is an email that I sent Gun Directory. Let me know what you guys think. I'm trying to get them to run a battle test for small CCW pistols. I had to shorten it.
What if you ran a huge promotion on this site to gather funds and ideas to do a "CCW" field battle test? I'm sure enough people on here would donate $10 to help you guys purchase all of the widely used CCW pistols and out them to the test. An unbiased test.
I'd like to see the Beretta Tomcat, Bobcat, Seecamp, NAA Guardian and Mini, Kel Tecs, Ruger LCP, Bersa Conceal, AMT, Kahr PM9, Tuarus 25 series, Walther TPH and the Derrenger LM5 go head-to-head in a shoot test for reliability mainly, accuracy secondary, conceal ability, warranty, etc. I don't think this has ever been done.
I do marketing and graphic design and would help coordinate it for free (web banners, etc.). Every gun has good posts and bad posts related to it... but who really knows what's best?
Hi again Kevin,
I wrote you in a different thread here so I won't repeat the whole thing again but wanted to point out something. You have mentioned that you sent an email to the "Gun Directory" regarding a battle test for several CCW pistols. I just wanted to let you know that this is the "Gun Directory". We go by a couple of other names as well. One is the Weapons Room and help me out guys, I think the other is E-Gun.net. They all bring you right to the same spot, here!!
AMT Backup .380 - I have owned my AMT .380 since 1982 and have had no regrets.
My .AMT Backup .380 remains my concealed "pocket carry" pistol for those times when I cannot carry my Glocks or S&W.
It remains one of the smallest .380 automatics I have ever handled and has always been reliable on the range.
With two manual safeties, lever and grip, it carries five .380 rounds in the magazine and one round in the chamber.
It does have an extremely heavy trigger pull which could be an asset or detriment, depending on how you look at it.
It is a bit difficult to disassemble for cleaning but it is 1980s technology. I have never tried a "drop test" with it but, as stated, it is older technology so (as with all weapons) mature handling is a reasonable expectation.
Due to cost, the bulk of range practice is with Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) while concealed carry is with Extreme Shock Fragmentable Enhanced Penetration Round (EPR).
Without hesitation, I would purchase another early edition AMT .380 Backup (with the external and grip safeties).
AMT Backup .45 (by High Standard of Texas) - I owned one of these for a while but it seemed to misfeed quite a bit, rendering it undependable.
Because it remains probably the smallest .45 ACP pistol I have ever handled, I would have really loved it had it been consistently dependable.
Two trips to the manufacturer and more than that to a professional gunsmith provided no relief to the misfeed problems.
Unfortunately, I cannot recommend the High Standard (AMT) .45 for a number of technical reasons (although I wish I could as it is probably the smallest .45 I have ever handled).
Hopefully one day they will perfect their Backup .45 as I would love to own one.
015255, hello and welcome to the forum! I've got a newer model .380. It's the double action only model and like yours has a long and heavy trigger. Mine doesn't have any external safties at all. I shoot ball ammo at the range and keep Glaser Silver frangibles in it for defense purposes. How does your pistol handle hollowpoints? Mine hates them and is a real jamming machine when I try! I've read a few times that hollowpoints aren 't recommended in the AMT. I have to believe that!
I had a 380 DAO about 12 or 13 yesars ago that did well. I recently purchased a 45ACP on Gunbroker. I paid about $350 shipped.
I did some Fluff and Buff, and now I just need to get to the range. I have read these pistols are hit and miss. I hope mine is all hit and no miss.
I'm going to get a replacement recoil spring for it right away, as a poor one of these will certainly keep this pistol from running at all. Wolff has a +power one that I want. Hopefully a good spring and the clean up I did wards off any bad Ju-Ju.
This pistol is to serve as a secondary to my XD-45.
I didn't see your post until tonight, sorry for the delay. Have you had the chance to shoot it yet? Provide some more info on it, age, model and manufacturer. There are several outfits that have taken the helm for AMT. Your choice of a Wolff spring is a wise one. They make the best springs out there. I'm anxious to hear about the performance you get from it. Keep me in the loop! Welcome to the Forum too!!
Does anyone have a sources of magazines for the single action version of the .380 AMT? Preferably in Canada, but if not, some company willing to ship to Canada.
They come and go...
Does anyone know if the mags for the double action ony mode will work in the single action model?
Am in need of a firing pin for AMT Backup 380 single action. No longer available from High Standard or other suppliers.