Muslim Mosque at 911 site

[SittingMooseShaman]

...just google,

"beheading in the middle east"

The host sites may be a bit

unsavory to say the least...

However, those videos-

say it all...

I am perplexed with the support the U.S.

liberals show towards Sharia Law-

They'll be first to 'go'...



During the Tribulation...

Beheading will be the 'way to go'

for the authorities in ridding the

land of resistance...

[whitehood]

It only goes to prove what Mike Savage has said all along about liberals and that is liberalism in a mental illness.

[JohnnyA]

I'm sorry to hear that so many of you are of the opinion that muslim people are "bad" and as a majority, out to bring down America.



Where I'm from (near Toronto), I attended school and grew up with muslims. I'd guess that about 10-15% of the population around here is Islamic compared to about 70% christian heritage. My personal experiance has shown me that the VAST majority of Islamic families and people are like any other: Kind, respectful of others, and caring. I've personally been tended to by muslim friends when injured, and I've worked and learned beside them.

The vast majority of muslims my age (in my area) are either first generation Canadians, or they moved here when they were very young. While some of their parents hold old wolrd views on world politics and race, I find it to be no more so than any other imigrant population- my own father being a Greek immigrant who fosters old world hostilities towards certain countries and cultures (Turks, Serbs, Americans). They are no more hostile or forgiving than any others, no more likely to assault or give charity.

That being said, I believe the most powerful weapon in the West's aresenal, especially America's , is its culture. Any 1st generation American muslim, is further removed from old wolrd views than his/her parent. And in all likelyhood, that parent who immigrated, is probably even further removed from those views than the previous generation who never left their homeland. Even in the Middle East, American culture (education, pop culture, the freedom of press, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of information) has changed popular opinion. As an example, despite Iran's F'd Up leadership, many Iranians, especially the younger generation/tomorrow's leaders, are in favour of a more westernized culture. I think that the west is winning the cultural war more each generation, as the democratic process slowly spreads.



Personally, as a Canadian, I think our own political/social/cultural system is better than America's. Having said that, the rest of the world wants America's. They want to BE America. I'm afraid that the rising tide of American intolerance towards all those who practice Islam will only serve to slow the spread of Western values. Other parts of the world relize that being "American" is better than their way of life. Unfortunately, and in my opinion, some unpopular foreign policies has put many in the position of being pressured to take sides. I'm not suggesting that any of the terrorists/hijacker/jihadists were created by America, only that when all Islamists (ie civilians) are hunked into the same category by Americans, then they've already been labelled an enemy, making it harder for them to try and adopt Western values in their homeland.



I respect many of you who've posted otherwise in this thread, and I mean no disrespect to any of you, the USA, or your culture. I just hope that you don't fall into the trap of lumping a whole population in with some extremists, who I believe are fighting more for power and control rather than any true religious ideology.



PS regarding Shriah law: In Canada, there has been serious debate over the past few years following a number of"honour killings" within households due to Shriah Law. The vast majority of people I know, Islamic or otherwise, find it equally abhorrent, and barbaric with no place in modern society.

[BrianB]

In my personal opinion I find your statement very well said Johnnya and am glad someone feels basically the same way I do. Yes there are the extremist but the majority are not the "of one mind and culture" terrorists many believe they are.

[JustBen]

Like them or not, no mosque should be built anywhere near ground zero. That is the point here.

[tigwelder56]

Personal choice is one thing but your tolerance of this Muslim Mosque being built on the WTC site is an outrage! Pay attention to history boys. Every time throughout history, clear back into the days of Christ, every single time the Muzzies/Islamic Warriors fought and destroyed their enemies, every time they defeated the "Infidels", the first thing they did was to erect a mosque. That mosque was built as a standing tribute to the Islamic defeat of their enemy! They call it a "Victory Mosque"! It has already been well publicized by the Islamic Press, Islamic Afghanistan Press, and Al Jazeera, among hundreds of others, if you would look into it!!! This is something they do everytime they have "defeated" their enemy or accomplished their goal of destroying their target. WTF?? You guys support that bullshit? Are you Americans or Islamic sympathizers? Don't give me that Constitutional crap either. It appears to me that you're placing all your belief in the GD liberal media! Are you listening to that crap? They could care less about our Constitution. They want to destroy it and destroy every damn one of us. We're at WAR with those fucks! If that isn't enough, the Imam that will rule that mosque is being funded to the tune of over 100 million dollars and won't reveal where the money is coming from. How can that be? A 14 story building in downtown Manhattan and they won't reveal their financial plan?? There isn't a single American corporation or contractor that could attempt to do something like that without providing every single project and phase of construction to state and city authorities! Yet these SLUGS can just promise to obey our laws and are given permits?? I say again WTF??? Finally, do you know that the Imam has accepted $400,000 dollars from no else but HAMAS!!! Classified as a terrorist organization by the United States and our Allies, don't forget the World Court recognizes them as terrorists as well. I don't want to forget this last tidbit, that same Imam, plans to enforce Sharia Law from this mosque!! Read up on Sharia Law gents and tell me how supported that shit will be in this country! If you're willing to tolerate the building of that mosque, they you also have to be willing to tolerate that kind of horrific human rights practice. Do you?



Before I make any further comments about your choices gentlemen, what do you think about this mosque now? Now that you know the truth and only a small part of what those losers have in store for New York. Have you no compassion for the WTC victims and their families? It's hard to even believe that we as Americans have to consider what is the right course of events. Damn.........

[JohnnyA]

But

A- It's not on the WTC site. It's been specifically designated such.

B- People of any spreading religion/nation take over the existing religious buildings, government buildings, and the centers of cities to raise new monuments and establish new orders. Churches were built on mosques that were built on churches that were built on temples- jewish and pagan. It's not an Islamic trait any more than it's a German, Jewish, or Sikh trait.

C- Please find me an Al Jazeera report where someone references this as a clear sign of Islamic victory. From what I've read. it seems as though they're covering it in a pretty neutral fashion. Judging from this last article:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 09300.html

I'd be hard pressed to tell it from an AP or Reuters piece. Please reference your claims.

D- "Constitutional Crap" - The reason America is admired (sometimes despisingly) is that constitution and the existence of the American Dream. If you enjoy the freedoms you're allowed in your country (freedoms not existing for 99.9% of human existence and due in no small part to the history of your armed forces), you should reconsider your statement. Believe it or not, the leaders of the tyrannical, oppressive nations that support terrorism fear something more than they fear the military might of the USA. It's your constitution and those of similar countries, and citizens who live by those rules that they fear. Western culture is spreading, because it's popular, and we live well. America is winning a war, and those who are trying to cling to power are fighting a losing battle. Mistaking your enemy, and in the process increasing its population many times over, just delays the process.



D- Both of our countries fought the the Nazis and their blanket condemnation of many races and groups, and have admitted their wrongdoing in the internment of nationalized Japanese during the same period. I don't believe that Islam in its recent history is nearly as intolerant, nationalistic, or ethnocentric as the Japanese in their imperial history. Nor are its populations as bent on its spread.

[BrianB]

Here is what I always find funny about these types of conversations. If I disagree I am told I am not an American. Apparently that whole freedom of speech and religion and all those other things are only meant for those who all feel the same way. So now the constitution is "Crap"????



As to "liberal" media, no, I do not listen to them but neither do I listen the the conservatives either. I will not listen to Micheal Moore or Al Franken just as I will not listen to Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh. All of these people make their money off swinging humans to flawed logic using lies to do it.



I could care less about any religion being in the US or where they put it as long as they follow the same laws that the rest of us do. If in NY a company builds a building is supposed to supply info about where they get their money then they should do so as well.



Like many conversations in politics though I am sure no one will change their mind. That is fine with me, I don't expect anyone to nor will I claim those that disagree are less American than me.

[JustBen]

[GOANRA]

I've spent many years living among Muslims and studying the Koran/Qur' an, which is the book composed of sacred writings accepted by Muslims as revelations made to Muhammad by Allah through the angel Gabriel.



Any who have studied the Koran will quickly recognize it as a very distorted copy of the Catholic Bible. Many believe Muhammed was mono-linquistic and used too many 3rd party translaters. But, being raised by a very wealthy, influential uncle, his self-contradictory writings were published.



However, it does state that, anyone who claims to be a follower [Muslim], must uphold the belief that all non-Muslims must perish. There can be no exceptions.

The Koran clearly teaches them to be 'nice' outwardly to non-Muslims, but to retain their 'hatred' inwardly.



Thus, comes the planned-perception of the 'nice Muslims'.



By their own teachings and documentation, the 'Nation of Islam' is as much an oppressive government as it is a religion.

They are sworn enemies of 'Western Civilization' and they refer to us as the 'Great Satan'.



We know funding comes from Al Qaeda and the goal of all Muslims is to defeat our Nation.

We now have a Muslim in the WH and the perps of the 9-11 attack on the WTC have not even been adjudicated, but a 'Victory Mosque' is being established.



The building of this Mosque will 'prove' the Islamic VICTORY and we will realize 'Soviet style Socialism' like BHO's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, helped establish in Kenya, not so long ago.



This is all the dream and plan of Barak Hussein Obama.