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Postby NCCCCWteacher » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:34 am

Tig, I understand what you are saying, whether it happens or not we never will know. But the largest problem I find being a Fl. CCW Holder, is when can I Fire and when Can't I Fire?

Let's just say for instance, I am a Disabled 52 yr old man. 3 Teenagers of whatever color want to Stomp and Rob me in some Parking Lot. If I get knocked down, I cannot just spring back up on my feet. By the time I got back up, they could have stomped the life out of me. They are not Armed with knives or Guns, Can I use my Gun? Or does the Grand Jury Decide?

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Postby g4l » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:14 pm

This is the rule I go by;



"You, or a loved one, have to be in immediate danger of great bodily injury, or death."



This will obviously be different from case to case, and person to person. I would imagine the physical condition of the victim would play a big part in the situation You used as an example. The jury would probably (hopefully) understand an elderly person with physical limitations will not be able to take the same abuse a young man built like a football player would. Fortunately, Castle Doctrine is strong in Your State, and needs to be enacted across the U.S, to protect ALL law abiding Americans.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:43 pm

I can answer that for you too. I am a 52 year old disabled white male with a CCW. If three guys regardless of color approach me in a parking lot with the intention of stomping my ass, I am in fear for my life. I would immediately pull my weapon and if that didn't stop their forward movement and they continued to approach with violent intentions, I would fire on the closest threat and continue on if the assault continued. There is nothing that says you can't retreat if it provides you cover. The point here is to stop the attack and then move to a safe area and then dial 911. If you have any question regarding your lawful right to defend yourself, when the police arrive on scene, I wouldn't talk to them until you have the opportunity to speak with an attorney. That's your right and they have to honor it. There are alot of criminal attorneys that promote you always stay silent and seek counsel before talking to Police. You can't take back anything you say and you don't want to say the wrong thing because you were confused.



As G4l stated though, and from personal knowledge, the Florida Castle Doctrine is iron clad. Google it, and read it thoroughly. It gives the victim the absolute right to protect themself from attack and no requirement to retreat.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:01 pm

Thank's for the answers guys!

As Tig mentioned, I think the best policy would be getting a Lawyer before saying anything to the Police. That way they can cover your ass!

Actually I wasn't speaking hypothetically, that is my situation. Like Tig, I am 52 and Disabled, but don't feel elderly just yet! (Just my Body does!) LOL But I always wondered if you could shoot if they didn't have a Weapon.

I guess it just all boils down to if you feel yours, or someone elses life is in danger. I Hope! I have to Re-Read the Castle Doctrine.

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