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Postby tigwelder56 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:43 am

Tig,

Just a few last comments if I may. I will only say this because I respect you and your opinions. I openly admitted at the start that I don't really know all that much about all this, because Politics just hasn't interested me for my entire life. I know it should, especially in my position as you well know. But I just could never seem to get myself interested. I feel it's Them vs. Us, and always have. The people who make all the Laws and Rules are not affected by them as you mentioned.

I feel this is where the problem "lye's". (Funny how that Word is so close to "Lie's"! LOL) What we need in all Areas of Gov't are Real "Joe the Plumber" types of people who ARE affected each Day in 1 way or another by each Law created. Not Media created "Joe's". Then I bet things would be much different! Things mentioned in this Post are just a few reasons I feel things Today are not the same as when The Constitution was written. (But I know the Writers were all considered Rich back then also!)

But back then, the Laws did affect them as well! *But Not Today!

I guess my interest has always been low due to my complete disgust as to the way things have always worked. They don't, and only because a bunch of rich Bastards are the ones running things at every level of Govt. I get disgusted when they talk about buying a Fleet of $50 Million Dollar Grumman 5's, because it would "Economically be better for us all", instead of people like Pelosi who needs an A320 Jumbo Jet to run around the Country in! In the Countries state Today, Instead of purchasing a Fleet of Luxurious $50M G5's, why not Buy $8M Learjets, which are much cheaper, Just as well made, faster, and way more Economical? Getting around fast *IS their issue right? Why didn't anyone think of a much less expensive and faster alternative? *Luxury!

That is just 1 example of Gov't Waste. Another perfect example, and personally witnessed example: When I was a kid, my Father was a V.P of a Heliport. When the Mechanics (They were mainly Vietnam Vets, and were actually taught to fix things this way).had a problem with a Helicopter, They Replaced items until it worked! If they replaced the Fuel Control, (A Few Thousand Dollar item back then) and that didn't solve the problem, instead of putting the perfectly good used one back on, it went into the Garbage and then they moved on to another Part! My Father quickly put an end to that way of "Fixing" things! But that is how they do it in the Military!

I guess only now at 52 I *AM becomming more interested in Politics, and that is why I said what I did. Normally I would never have said a thing! It just pisses me off that I have to try to save every Dime I can, only so I can eat if I don't just die young! I eat TV Dinners, All while these Assholes are attending Fund Raisers each night at $1G a Plate!

I just spent an entire Week, Min 20 Hours each Day and Night working on my Computer, as I cannot afford to just go out and buy a new one! My Computer was a mess, and I never Reformatted one. I almost went out to Buy one but thought Hell, let me try first! What did I have to lose at that point? So I Formatted this one. Now I have a Computer that works like new! It's a Packed Dell Workstation, so even W/O a Monitor I saved myself at least a Grand!

Hell, do you think the Gov't would "Fix" anything? It would be "Just Purchase another", it's not THEIR Money being spent! I am sorry if any of my comments pissed anyone off, but it's just that I am pissed at the way this Country is Rapidly going down the Drain. But I am not just blaming Obama. He was handed a Shitstorm, but is far too inexperienced to be able to handle it. We had Afganistan, so we quickly pulled out to go to Iraq. Now we are back again. You know as we pull out of Iraq things will go the same way. It's already happenning from what I read!

These few items are just the Tip of the Iceberg, and an example of my frustration with Gov't at all levels. Again, I am sorry if I pissed anyone off, that was not my intention. I am just tired of living in such a poor manner, all while these Gov't Assholes get anything they want.

(I am not Homeless, I have a few Bucks and know things could be worse for me, like they are for many others!) Things Today are just not right!

Thank You for listening to my rambling, Now I will shut up!

Bill
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Postby agonist » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:28 pm

I'd still like to hear which parts of the constitution need to be changed due to chronological irrelevance.
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Postby agonist » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:50 pm

No Agonist, as usual you just want to start another argument!

I fell into that crap a couple of yrs back, and will not be stupid enough to do so ever again!

I replied to the only person who became involved in this discussion that I Respect, and that was obviously not you.

This is the last I will have to say about this Subject, except for,

*Get Over It!
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Postby tigwelder56 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:55 pm

Let's keep things civilized, please!
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Postby agonist » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:10 pm

Same old thing tig. He throws out something controversial and then can't handle a discussion. I haven't said anything incendiary Bill, you did. If you are going to call in to question the relevance of any part of the Constitution, you damn well better be able to back it up! Who knows, if you make a salient point I might even agree with you.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:16 pm

Please let things cool off. I'm seeing too much anger starting and would like to see it handled more diplomatically. I'm asking everyone to just let it rest. Damn, politics really are a hot bed topic and can quickly cause a battle. I understand the desire to fight it out but I would appreciate it if cooler heads would prevail. We don't need a repeat of the last shit storm here. I respect and understand the aggravation experienced here and ask that it be retired for the health of the forum.
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Postby tkdguy » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:08 am

New Title: Regan-Don't say we weren't warned. See www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/198/29847/ which is current for August 28, 2009-13:05 ET. This article illustrates how socialized medicine and control of health care increasingly controls all elements of our society. Glen Beck researchers obtained a transcript of one of Regan's early speeches. This speech points out some of the current ploys that socialist types employ to control society. It is a very good read.



There was a public statement by Obama that only Americans were to enter the public systems and non-American's were not eligible, but within 24 hours a blip was issued by a Congressional Office that publicly released the specific regulation that indicated that essentially all domestic persons were eligible regardless if they were citizens or not.
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Postby tkdguy » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:44 am

I do not believe in Socialized Medicine the way it's normally given out as well. But to tell you the truth, I lived in Canada for 6 months, and even being an American, I broke my Wrist, and they were very attentive, and Free!
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Postby tigwelder56 » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:53 am

I just finished watching Glenn's show tonight, he had Rush Limbaugh as a guest. I'm telling you, this entire political environment is absolutely socialist in nature, not to mention frightening for Americans in general. This new administration is swinging a damn wrecking ball through our halls of justice and legislation. Those people who believe this fool's bullshit and actually voted for him, are responsible for bringing this down on the American people. Your ignorance is beyond belief.



The only thing I can comment on Bill is that you were seen on an emergency basis, that's similar to our warped system of emergency medicine. Anyone who walks through the door are required by law, even those that would typically be ineligible if you walked into a Doctors office, must be seen or risk a law suit. If you tried to present yourself to the Canadian healthcare system for anything elective, you can forget it. They'll place you on a waiting list into next year! Here in the USA you have none of those restrictions. Even chemo therapy patients are saying that they're being placed on waiting lists for treatment! Wait several weeks or months and you may well be dead or past the stage of intervention. Those are the frightening things people aren't considering. I hope people will re-evalutate their choices. Then let your voices be heard from the tallest mountain top!
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Postby tkdguy » Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:09 pm

Tigwelder56: You have a very good analysis of this topic and a perceptive political insight and opinion. Perhaps, there is some way that you could disseminate your thought's through the internet so others could read your opinions, thereby raising the awareness of lots of other people. tkdguy
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