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Obama's Health Care Nightmare!

Postby tigwelder56 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:57 pm

Forwarding a letter written by Dr. Stephen Fraser.



Subject: Health care letter





Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh. Feel free to copy it and send it around to our other representatives.



Stephen Fraser M.D.



July 23, 2009





Senator Bayh,



As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the healthcare bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a healthcare system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our healthcare system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed..



I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.





Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!



Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.



Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!





Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for=0 A you. You have no choice!



Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise



Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!



Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.



Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN)..



Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.



Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!



Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.



Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.



Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.



Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.



Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.



Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what=2

0you can make! (salary)



Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!



Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.



Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.



Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.



Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.



Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)



Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.



Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!



Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.



Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!



Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.



Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.



Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.



Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!



Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.



Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.



Page 317 L 13 -20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!



Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.



Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!



Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.



Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.



Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!



Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?



Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.



Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!



Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines

1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)



Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends..



Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.



Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!



Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.



Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!



Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?



Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?



Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.



Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.





Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.



Furthermore, If you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the countr y and destroys the doctor/patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.



Respectfully,



Stephen E Fraser MD
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Postby tigwelder56 » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:16 pm

Apparently the American Medical Association has weighed in on the new economic stimulus package and the idea of socialized medicine plus Medicare reform....



The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.



The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.



The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception.



Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.



Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'



The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.



Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing.



The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."



The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.



The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.



In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington !
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Postby tigwelder56 » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:30 pm

Since the Big Rah Rah Campaign, After the Election I kind of lost interest in Politics, and have been very busy doing other things. (I never had been very interested, and have always been an Independant!) However, The changes Obama wants to make may be right or wrong, I really don't know as I haven't followed it closely. I really should as I am Disabled! Normally I don't talk Politics or Religion, But it is a fact that if *Something is not changed, Medicare will run out of Money in the next few Yrs. Then where do we stand?? (Not only with Guns)

I am not For or Against Obama, but lets face it, he really walked into a Countrywide/Political Shitstorm Directly or Indirectly left by Bush, and has people comming at him each Day from every direction on every problem we face today, most created by Bush. If I were him I would probably have quit already!

*What are the Non Political Party, non Biased Answers if I may ask at this time?
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Postby agonist » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:28 am

Certainly Bush left problems behind. The anger many feel towards Obama is mainly because nothing he proposes will fix the problems. A common misconception is that Bush governed as a conservative. Not so. Spending was wild and the Iraq war was ultimately a positive action (so far) but politically was managed very poorly. The Bush administration was also over reaching with it's Constitutional authorities angering many.

All that being said, the proposals and efforts of the Obama administration taking giant leaps in these very same directions. Spending and proposed spending threaten to bankrupt this country (if they haven't already) and they seek to circumvent the Constitution at every turn.

By your admission of only following politics before the election and not now you paint yourself as one of the many "sheeple" who were fooled into voting for this Marxist tyrant in disguise. I don't mean to be accusatory as you are hardly alone in this but in the future if you can't bring yourself to be involved in the regular political discourse please refrain from voting. This president was elected largely by that type of voter who were led by a "zombie master" with the message of "hope and change" as if that pile of shit was never sold before.

A true "independant" must be ever vigilant and attentive to politics and must actively seek out information or is nothing but a feather in the wind.

I apologize for my insulting tone but you have struck a deep nerve.
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Postby agonist » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:55 am

Sorry if I hit a nerve, and It's not nice to say, But I never did Vote! It was all just too much of a 3 Ring Circus for me! I will not Vote for anything I don't believe in 100% I guess I was "Independantly Unimpressed" with either Party. The Old Man and Old Ways Vs. The Messiah with unrealistic ways! C'mon!

The problem we have is what IS going to work? And I guess just like everything that has ever come before, it takes Trial and Error! (*Get them New Cars! Etc.)



I read the Papers, and everyone has something negative to say about what is going on here and there, but nobody ever gives any better options?? Are there any? Or, will we fall like The Soviet Union? Hell, They kept it together for Centuries, (Good or Bad), but we have only been around for just over 200 Yrs! And out of those Yrs, how many were we at War in 1 way or another? Almost constantly. There is a line in an Old Song that goes, "So when we got Bored, We'd have a World War, Happy but Poor"

Is that what we have to look foward to?

Our Constitution is a wonderful thing, but it was written well before Super Markets, Condos, Shopping Malls and Suicide Bombers. We cannot take each item and live the exact same way today. Some things need to change, except the 2nd Amendment!

Thank's, Bill

PS- Sorry I Edited this 50 times!
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Postby agonist » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:41 pm

I must vehemently disagree with your take on the relevance of the Constitution as originally adopted. The only things in it that could serve to be changed are those things that have been added after it's original ratification.

There's nothing new under the sun here Bill. The Constitution is a wonderfully crafted document whose wisdom may not even have been fully understood by many who voted on its acceptance.

If you're going to make a comment about parts of it being chronologically irrelevant you're going to have to be much more specific to advance an intelligent discussion.
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Postby agonist » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:54 pm

By the way, the Soviet Union didn't "keep it together for centuries," their socialist revolution the "Bolshevik Revolution," was in 1917. The Soviet Union's official collapse came in 1991, a mere 74 years later. A rather pathetic comparison to the success of our capitalist system wouldn't you say?

Capitalism isn't failing. What's failing is that this country has been moving increasingly left since the "Great Depression," and the further we move in that direction the worse our problems become.

Socialism is slavery! The only way for socialist policies to show success is for the socialist government to take complete control of all aspects of life. See China. Again, SOCIALISM IS SLAVERY!
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Postby tigwelder56 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:05 pm

This entire government attempt to take over our country is way out of control. They've lost control of their memories, memories that should remind them of the most sacred document they swore to uphold, the Constitution. They simply cannot be allowed to disregard 233 years of democratic rule. Socialism can't survive in our America and simply won't be allowed to succeed. America and Americans deserve the freedom to make their own choices, regardless of what that is. Those elected officials that don't agree with the freedoms and rights that the Constitution provides, need to step down and let a real American assume their duties.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:27 pm

This is why I normally decline to discuss Politics or Religion. They always end up heated. We all have different ways of thinking and different opinions, But those are Rights that were given to us all! Peoples Thoughts and Opinions should not be argued over, but respected by others. I may not agree, but I respect the way you Think because it is your Right. It should be the same way for me or anyone else, even if it's different. That's my Right even if you are misinterpreting much of what I had said!

As I said, I didn't feel *EITHER of the Candidates were qualifled to be President, so *I Did Not Vote!

But, The entire point I was trying to make, was all the people that go on "FOX TV" and talk about how badly Obama is doing things offer no better options! They only talk and talk over and over about how bad his ideas are. I cannot see anyone criticizing someone else when they have no better ideas themselves! Medicare will be Broke in a Few Years if Something is not done. So what do we do? Keep things Status Quo? *Then what?

*I am Disabled and depend on that!

No, I do not want Socialism, but I don't want a Broke Divided Country as we have right now either! And really, when the Constitution was written, Times were *MUCH different than they are Today in MANY ways. Just for 1 example, the Chinese didn't own most of the Country back then! We did! (We stole it fair and square from the Indians!) But seriously,

Times have changed over the Years, the Problems have changed. Things must be done differently one way or another! I don't know if Obamas ways are right or wrong. But not having any better plans just like all the people I listen to on FOX, at least I am not going to criticize the Man and his ideas! The Best Idea I have heard thus far is what Tig said just below me. Now you can all come back and twist what I have just said, and knock the Hell out of me here. But i will tell you now,

*This is all I will have to say about this Subject! There will be no replies.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:50 pm

Okay Bill, I appreciate your desire to remain quiet on this subject in the future. There are several points that I must point out to you though regarding your remarks. First of all, nobody has misinterpreted your remarks. We have all made comments and replies regarding the subject as should be done. What have we misinterpreted? What we did was disagree with your assessment. You didn't vote, therefore you have no right to complain about who was elected. It comes down to that simple statement. Feel as you may but don't find fault for those of us that did take a stand and voted our opinion and desire for a better future. You absolutely must make a decision to support some candidate and it doesn't have to be one of the two front runners. Hell, write your own name on the ballot if you're allowed to!! LOL!



I have differences about your remarks that nobody has provided any differing opinions. There are more differing opinions on the table now than Obama's administration has presented or debated on the original subject!! It's quite easy to find them by researching the conservative options/opinions of this legislative nightmare or the liberal disagreements of those same recommendations. I can't even begin to list them all here. Shit, their last draft was over 1000 pages long and there wasn't ONE single liberal that had read it. Now how friggin sad is that?



I'm also disabled as a result of military service and a personal accident. I rely on the VA, as well as Medicare, to help provide a minimal existence. It doesn't go far, trust me. The government in general has raped and pillaged the Medicare nest egg. If those senseless bastards had to rely on Medicare for their retirement and medical care, you can bet your ass that it would be alot sweeter and alot better protected than they have left it for those of us they silently consider "Peons". They don't give a flying fu*k about us and now that we're bringing their little sweetheart deal to the foreground and pointing out its shortcomings, they're panicking, like never before! Imagine this, if you don't know about it, lets consider this example, that they make $250,000.00 a year in salary and are provided 100% benefits, medical/dental and whatever. They can work their entire lifetime in service to the country or ONE day (of credible service) and when they end government employ for any acceptable reason, they receive their full salary and benefits for LIFE! When they die, if their spouse is still alive, the spouse gets their benefits for LIFE, including the $250,000.00 per year!! That's not an Obama mistake, but the greedy government in general. It has been this way longer than many reading this have been alive. Do you support that complete disregard? Medicare was supposed to be untouchable!! There was a time not too many decades ago that it was flush+ with money and had ample funds to support it's future requirements. Then the government, and I don't really care who, agreed to borrow Medicare funds to support other programs. One administration after another allowed this to continue!! Shame on them all...
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