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Postby tigwelder56 » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:34 am

I've got this pistol, the 21, as well as the 950 Jetfire. Why do you like this pip squeek Al when you dislike the power provided by the Seecamp 32? The 32 offers more than double the power of the anemic .25. I purchased the 950 way back in 1980 and it's still a dandy little gun. I gave it to my sister 20 years ago, and unfortunately we lost her to cancer last year so I regained ownership of the pistol following her death. In the meantime I bought the model 21 Bobcat in 25 because I liked the pistol the first time around and I really liked the DA/SA operation of the 21. It still doesn't compensate for the weak power of the round. I've been a bit luckier as far as accuracy is concerned with this pistol than yourself. I don't believe that this little bug is meant for much more than 15 feet anyway, so your accuracy is fairly normal for something it's size. My biggest complaint is with hollowpoints. The 950 will accept them more readily than the 21 will. I've settled on loading a MagSafe as my chambered round and then load the magazine with FMJ rounds. I've never had any FTF's with that combination so far. As for that roll pin in the slide, I have never experienced such a problem. You need to replace the roll pin or expand one end or the other. You won't have any further issues with it moving. It just holds the FP in place. My model 21 is pictured in #5 & 6 here. These grips really made the hold on the pistol so much better. With an improved hold, came improved accuracy as well.
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Postby MagnumAl » Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:15 pm

There are many resons I don't care for the seecamp, namely that horrible safety switch. This little buggero, well, no safety, which makes me happier. And you are right, the round is horrible, but if I want to go to the beach and not scare everyone, I carry this lil gun.



I have had no problems with ammo or ftf's. But it spends most of its time in my safe. I prefer the 357 snub or the ppk b/c of the improved takedown power, and my own skill with those firearms. But hey, 100 bucks got me an additional carry option, so its money well spent in my mind! Mine is the model 950-b, not sure how old it is, but there is a fair amount of blueing wear.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:21 pm

Al, if you don't like the safety on the Seecamp, don't use it. It wasn't part of the original design anyway. It was something forced on them by the socialists in Kalifornia. I personally don't buy a weapon for its safety anyway. I did some looking and your 950B is an Italian made model, made in the 70's, some of the B model's were made in Brazil too. The 950BS model's were made in the USA. I would also mention that I've never seen one of these little Beretta's that don't come equipped with a safety. Did you buy yours new or used? I just found a brand new one (950BS) on sale for $58 bucks and oddly a used one on the same site for sale for $189! The $58 dollar pistol is via auction, questionable asking price at best! A truly new model will run you around $300 at several shops, but can be found for a good bit less if you look.



I'm curious, what type of HP ammunition have you had the best luck with in .25acp? Take care and Happy Holidays!



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Postby MagnumAl » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:50 am

I bought mine used. The gun was for sure pretty old- I'd guess early 70's. I just sold it the other day, got a good price for it, so now I can shop around for a 44 special :)
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Postby Prettygun » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:57 am

I purchased 2 new Beretta 21 Bobcat's .25 in the mid 1990's at $150 each for both my wife and myself as CCW. Great little gun to about 10 feet and very CC with a ankle holster. These guns are not made for target practice, don't expect to put thousands of rounds down the barrel, parts will not hold up. My suggestion would be the Bobcat in .22 cal due to the cost of ammo for the .25 at $15 a box of 50. They do hold their value current new around $250-$275
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Postby dood » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:28 pm

I finally got around to seeing if I can make my .22 Bobcat a slightly better pistol. I gave it a rating of 1 a long time ago.



I took it to the range a few days ago and fired 50 rounds with no jams this time. That's a record for me and my Bobcat.



What I have done so far is:



-Polish the feed ramp again.



-Polish the slide wear points.



-Cut two coils off of each slide recoil spring on the sides of the grip frame. (I didn't touch the hammer spring.)



-Used a light grease similar to Vaseline on the slide after cleaning.



-Used a new cheapo magazine from Numrich Gun Parts that happens to have a different angle on the plastic ammo follower. It is angled higher towards the chamber than the stock Beretta magazine.



Using CCI Stingers (like I've used before) I got no feed jams, no extraction jams, and no stove pipe jams. I finally quit shooting after 50 rounds only because I started getting misfires. I have a new firing pin from Numrich that I'm going to drop in and see if that changes anything.



Since I cut the slide recoil springs I tried generic .22 brick ammo before I shot the Stingers. Instant stove pipe jam. My Bobcat still likes the hyper velocity stuff.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:23 pm

Hi Dood,

Where did you get the information that lead to you cutting the springs? I've never heard of that before. I own the Jetfire and the Bobcat, both are .25's. I chose the .25 because they're a centerfire pistol. Your experience with misfires using .22 ammo is one reason I wouldn't recommend one of these in that caliber for concealed carry. Especially if it was your primary self defense gun.
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Postby dood » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:23 pm

Cutting the springs was just an idea out of "why not" thinking. The little pistol already gave me enough troubles for me to consider trading it in, so I had nothing to lose in giving it a try.



After I replace the firing pin, I'll see if I can increase the number of sequential shots without jams and misfires.



I'll report back with any findings, but it may be a couple of weeks.
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Postby jobpatto » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:05 am

I owned a double action .25 Bobcat in blued finish for 7 years and fired 800 or so rounds through it, mostly experimenting with different things to improve reliability. I experienced a failure rate of around 3% or 1-2 per 50 rnd box, regardless of ammo brand. Hollow-points for me would never feed from the magazine except when in the last magazine position....for some reason. Failures w/ ball ammo were split apx 50/50 between FTF & FTE. Starting with a clean gun, I noticed most failures happened after 25 rounds, when soot would start to build up.



I liked the size and quality of the Beretta, and loved the flip-up barrel, but in the end deemed the reliability to be less than satisfactory for a defensive carry pistol. I later learned that autos of that type, regardless of make and quality, are known to have failure rates far higher than larger autos. That being said, the centerfire .25 Tomcat made up for a lot of this by being able to leave one safely chambered which gave it essentially guaranteed 1st shot reliability.
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Postby tigwelder56 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:02 am

I found your post to hold many similarities to the performance I had in both of my Beretta .25's. I had purchased my first Beretta in 1980, a Jetfire .25acp. It is by far the most reliable of the two .25's. In the 90's I purchased the Bobcat .25 after I gave my Jetfire to my Sister for SD. It was completely reliable regardless of ammo. She died last year from Breast Cancer so I got it back.



Like you I experienced several problems with the Bobcat. Especially with hollowpoints. I can use ball ammo in it and it shoots til it's dirty. Generally 50 rounds or less is enough to cause FTF and FTE's. I can't even get the tip up barrel to open. I use a synthetic barrel blaster spray through the magazine opening and it does a great job for in the field cleaning. After that I'm able to continue shooting without further problems.



As for the Tomcat .32acp, I've heard more negatives than positives. It has the same pop up barrel with the blowback recoil system. People are experiencing the same issues with the FTE's and FTF's. This isn't the proper location to bring up problems with the Tomcat .32 but people need to know that the blued models have been experiencing frame cracks in the area right above the trigger. Keep an eye open for any problems in that area.
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